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Gargoyle Cat
17th Nov 2017, 9:27 AM
I decided to play a new world yesterday. I downloaded and installed Grey’s Harbor which can be found here (http://sims3customworlds.tumblr.com/tagged/ea-worlds) .

I also installed the recommended environment mod Midnight Dream Lighting which I've never used before. After installing it and loading up the game, I was completely confused. I didn't know if the water 'problem' was caused by the mod or if it had anything to do with this world being a Midnight Hollow, / Moonlight Falls hybrid. :wtf:

First pic: My game settings. I don't not play my game with everything maxed out. This is for picture taking only.

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82063_171117081550options.png

Next 3 pics were taken with the Midnight Dream Lighting Mod.

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82059_171117081514-water1.png

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82061_171117081535-water2.png

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82060_171117081514-water3.png

Last pic: I removed the Midnight Dream Lighting mod and replaced it with my default which is Moonrise Kingdom.

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82062_171117081535-water4.png

I still don't know if the problem is with the world itself or the mod. It has been a few years since I've played Midnight Hollow. Can somebody toss me a bone and let me know what is going here?

nitromon
17th Nov 2017, 9:57 AM
I looked that the link you gave, but it didn't show any screenshots of the water.

However, as far as I know... all water in Sims 3 is actually transparent. What makes it give that blue or whatever color is actually the texture of the ground beneath it. I think only the "reflective" surface is affected by the sky and lighting mod. I can be wrong, but if you look at Island Paradise, the water is so blue because the ground beneath is painted blue. The same goes with swimming pools. I always change the original blue tiles to something else and then I find out the water is actually just clear color.

dreamfoil
17th Nov 2017, 10:19 AM
Yes lighting mods often also change the water colour and terrain paint will only effect shallow water.

Personally I love Midnight Dream, it's one of my faves.

There is a guide for creating your own environment mods here on MTS
http://www1.modthesims.info/m/showthread.php?t=459198

GrijzePilion
17th Nov 2017, 10:55 AM
However, as far as I know... all water in Sims 3 is actually transparent. What makes it give that blue or whatever color is actually the texture of the ground beneath it. I think only the "reflective" surface is affected by the sky and lighting mod. I can be wrong, but if you look at Island Paradise, the water is so blue because the ground beneath is painted blue. The same goes with swimming pools. I always change the original blue tiles to something else and then I find out the water is actually just clear color.
That's not entirely true, the water certainly has coloration. The deeper the water, the stronger the coloration.

Don Babilon
17th Nov 2017, 11:11 AM
From what I read this is just a prepared save game, isn't it? For it to work you need a custom world (Moonlight Falls by dutchysims) and the lighting mod. The dutchysims world probably uses the default Moonlight Falls lighting and the mod changes that to the (modified) Midnight Hollow one. The water colour at least looks like Midnight Hollow, definitely.
Now as your water looks different with another mod, I'd say that it is definitely the mod.

There is a different version of the mod that changes the water colour to that of Moonlight Falls: http://brntwaffles.tumblr.com/post/62465381974/this-lighting-mod-was-made-to-replace-the-lighting

ribbonista
17th Nov 2017, 1:12 PM
i think the black water looks kind of dope tbh

Gargoyle Cat
17th Nov 2017, 3:03 PM
From what I read this is just a prepared save game, isn't it? For it to work you need a custom world (Moonlight Falls by dutchysims) and the lighting mod. The dutchysims world probably uses the default Moonlight Falls lighting and the mod changes that to the (modified) Midnight Hollow one. The water colour at least looks like Midnight Hollow, definitely.
Now as your water looks different with another mod, I'd say that it is definitely the mod.

There is a different version of the mod that changes the water colour to that of Moonlight Falls: http://brntwaffles.tumblr.com/post/62465381974/this-lighting-mod-was-made-to-replace-the-lighting

Yes, it is a saved game. I couldn't remember what color the water was in Midnight Hollow. I should have known it would have been nothing more than desaturated. Meh, horrible. I digress. For shits and giggles, I decided to experiment. Yes, it was the mod changing the water color.

Midnight Hollow without Midnight Dream Mod

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82091_171117135207-mhwomods1.png

Midnight Hollow with Midnight Dream Mod. Even though the water is black, it looks completely different. It has depth, like it is supposed to.

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82089_171117135200-mhwithmod1.png

Plain ol' Moonlight Falls with Midnight Dream Mod. The water there without mods is not black.

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82090_171117135204-mfwithmod1.png

GrijzePilion
17th Nov 2017, 8:53 PM
How come the colour of the water is inconsistent in your last picture? It looks depth related but if it's not, I should look into it so I can improve my own lighting mod.

simsample
18th Nov 2017, 12:28 AM
Water colour is influenced by both the DDS colour ramps and also the fog colour and parameters. Ground colour will only really affect it if the water is transparent.

To explain further- if fog is present at a distance which interferes with the water layer, then the water will appear transparent but coloured by the DDS ramp fog colour.

If fog is present at a distance which does not interfere with the water layer, then the water will appear opaque and coloured by the DDS ramp water colour.

In the following image, the fog is pale blue and the water dark blue. The images show what happens when you change the fog start and finish parameters from (start 500, end 500) to (start 500, end 2000).
Click to view image (http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82111_171117231043FogStartEnd.jpg)

From left to right you can see how the water goes from translucent light blue to opaque dark blue. What you are seeing is that the fog density is changing. There are also curve settings which affect this.

This post shows a colour ramp with some of the bands labelled:
http://modthesims.info/showpost.php?p=3834477&postcount=194
The colour gradients show the change throughout the day/night, from mignight through midday to midnight as indicated on this EA ramp:
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/5/2/8/4/8/MTS2_simsample_1205937_S3_00B2D882_0076A684_7529C26EE8E2A9E6_IMG.jpg

Bear in mind that each of these settings is for one weather type only- most worlds will have five, plus settings for certain EPs such as Seasons weather and full moons.

Gargoyle Cat
18th Nov 2017, 1:18 AM
How come the colour of the water is inconsistent in your last picture? It looks depth related but if it's not, I should look into it so I can improve my own lighting mod.

The water is reflecting the clouds.

Gargoyle Cat
18th Nov 2017, 1:26 AM
Water colour is influenced by both the DDS colour ramps and also the fog colour and parameters. Ground colour will only really affect it if the water is transparent.

To explain further- if fog is present at a distance which interferes with the water layer, then the water will appear transparent but coloured by the DDS ramp fog colour.

If fog is present at a distance which does not interfere with the water layer, then the water will appear opaque and coloured by the DDS ramp water colour.

In the following image, the fog is pale blue and the water dark blue. The images show what happens when you change the fog start and finish parameters from (start 500, end 500) to (start 500, end 2000).
Click to view image (http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/82111_171117231043FogStartEnd.jpg)

From left to right you can see how the water goes from translucent light blue to opaque dark blue. What you are seeing is that the fog density is changing. There are also curve settings which affect this.

This post shows a colour ramp with some of the bands labelled:
http://modthesims.info/showpost.php?p=3834477&postcount=194
The colour gradients show the change throughout the day/night, from mignight through midday to midnight as indicated on this EA ramp:
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/5/2/8/4/8/MTS2_simsample_1205937_S3_00B2D882_0076A684_7529C26EE8E2A9E6_IMG.jpg

Bear in mind that each of these settings is for one weather type only- most worlds will have five, plus settings for certain EPs such as Seasons weather and full moons.

Thanks for the info.

After all was said and done, I scrapped the whole thing and installed St.Claire. Then I installed this (http://brntwaffles.tumblr.com/post/56436813818/this-was-a-request-by-jettschae-that-i-thought) environmental mod which won't cause any weird water issues. I don't know why the other one was bugging me so much other than I'm just not a fan of Midnight Hollow.

nitromon
18th Nov 2017, 6:33 AM
I'd love to change the water in Bridgeport to something a little more "less sewage."