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Hates Children Overhaul (WIP)

by Zuperbuu Posted 30th Jun 2018 at 4:03 PM - Updated 18th Mar 2019 at 5:59 PM by Zuperbuu
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EDIT 2019: I started this mod from scratch after Seasons/Get Famous broke a few parts and I couldn't keep up. It is now a WIP overhaul of the entire vanilla trait.

The Sims 2 and 3 gave us a variety of different Families and how they would behave with one another, from playful and adoring parents (Family orientated), to normal alright ones (No family trait) all the way to cruel and dark ones (Hates Children). You could mix and match parents with these traits and get some really interesting and dramatic stories, but the Sims 4? It fails to address the opposite side of the perfect parent.
At present, Parents are either Goody two-shoes or amazing at meeting their childs needs, and always feel good about everything that happens involving a child...including those with the Hates Children Trait! This system is wrong. We lost our diverse family stories! It has become clear EA/Maxis will not be fixing these issues themselves, so you're stuck with me and my amateur programming!

I would recommend using this Trait alongside the original Hates Children, as I can't quite get all the features I want from Hates Children into a new trait, or vice-versa. I will be merging the two together in the future.
You can find the Trait in CAS under "Personality - Lifestyle".

NOTE: Please use WinRAR to extract the files if you encounter difficulties using winzip!

What it does so far

This mod is built into a trait right now and does the following, and works with the Get Famous Patch. It will be expanded upon in the future.

1. Sims will get a +3 angry moodlet around their own kids. They get a +2 angry moodlet around their grandkids, and +1 around nieces and nephews. If they are a caregiver, they get a +5 angry moodlet. Beware that these stack, so a sim can become enraged very quickly.
2. Sims will get the "Ugh! Toddlers!" and "Ugh! Children" buffs with the hates Children trait, and this temporary trait.
3. Sims with Hates Children will always reject feeling a pregnant sims belly.
4. Many positive buffs from being a caregiver no longer appear for those with Hates Children. (WIP, works sometimes)
5. Your Sim can opt-out of being a caregiver, even without using the trait. (WIP, works sometimes)

What is to be added

1. More effective mood scrubber, so that no happy buffs associated with being a caregiver appear.
2. Blocking advice chancecards added by the Parenthood DLC to those with this trait, or at least give them the option to make no selection. (No longer forcing you to be a parent!)
3. Allowing adult sims to smash kids projects added by Parenthood DLC.
4. Disabling Parenting Skill for those with Hates Children so they never obtain it.
5. Replacing the buffs added by the social worker removing toddlers/children, so Hates Children sims are happy by it instead of upset. (WIP, sort of implemented already)
6. Replacing the pathetic recycled "friendly" mean animations towards children and toddlers with more suitable "aggressive" animations.
7. Adding chance of child running away and joining another household, as a result of neglect, rather than being "rescued" all the time.
8. Allow sims to be actively mean to children while streaming (Get Famous) if their reputation is very bad.
9. Caregivers will no longer be psychic and will need to be in the same room as a toddler to know that it needs feeding.
10. Turn off the random "check toddler" and "watch toddler" autonomy. This feature is dumb and promotes lazy parenting.
11. Allow sim teens and adults to fight on command, rather than making it randomly trigger from negative interactions.
12. Giving teens, who have despised relationship with one or both parents, the chance of moving out to live with a friend.

This mod is meant to make parenting more difficult and realistic; no more psychic parents, no more perfect happy families all the time, more dramatic interactions, give mean sims more purpose in life, and no more autonomy for childcare on sims who Hate Children!


1. Whilst "Expecting a Baby" positive moodlet is blocked successfully, the negative moodlet version will not show up in its place. This is because the "response" of the Sim determines what moodlet they get, and even with Hates Children the response a Sim may give is not always the negative version. So if a Sim seems pleased by the Big News, and has no moodlet at all, then this is why (I roleplay this as the Bad Parent pretending to care about their spouses pregnancy, when they really don't.) If the Sim shows the negative response to the news, they will still get their negative moodlet.
2. Many positive moodlets are not being blocked correctly when the trait is blacklisted under the "disallowed traits" flags, when they should be. I do not know why, I am looking into it. THis is why the scrubber is a WIP!
3. The negative moodlets associated with the Social Worker are still not being removed when they should be. Still investigating this, but for now the positive moodlet I have added is stronger and overrides the default negative ones. It likely has to do with the same issues mentioned in BUG #2.
4. The opting out of being a caregiver is still a work in progress, and sometimes works when it feels like it.

The dreaded Last Exceptions! I see them now and again, but I don't know what part of my mod causes it because I am still learning how programming and script-modding works, so whilst I will look at the logs you give me I don't think I will be able to understand them. I am working on this project alone, so any outside help is appreciated.


This mod will not work with other mods that alter the Hates Children Trait, or the behaviour/interaction files associated with parent/caregiver interactions with toddlers or pregnant sims. Tested with Parenthood DLC, and appears to function as normal.


I added this trait to all positive buffs available to parent sims around toddlers (these are buffs only), giving them a blacklisted flag, so they should not appear. These contain changes to list both the Bad Parent Trait and Hates Children Trait under "blacklisted" traits, which should prevent sims with these traits from gaining the positive buffs. Hates Children is already blacklisted under certain buffs, but under normal circumstances still has a slight chance of gaining a positive moodlet, whilst I added my Trait to these blacklists I also made corrections where I could to the Hates Children Trait.
The Following files are changed:

(Action Tuning files) loot_buff_social_SharedBigNews_Tense (whitelisting Hates Children and Bad Parent, so the buff appears), loot_buff_social_SharedBigNews_Happy (blacklisting Hates Children and Bad Parent, so the buff never appears), loot_caregivers_ToddlerBirthday, loot_caregivers_ToddlerBirthday (both blacklisting Hates Children and Bad Parent, so the buffs never appear)
(Buff Tuning files) buff_Toddlers_CTYAE_ThatWasCute, buff_Toddlers_GrowingSoFast_Happy, buff_Toddlers_CTYAE_GrowingUp, buff_HadBaby, buff_Object_Baby_Mourn, buff_WitnessedRescuedNeglectedChild, buffs_Mentoree_Toddler_Proud, buff_Toddlers_CTYAE_ToddlerBirthday, buff_Toddlers_BirthdayCelebration, Buff_SharedBigNews_Happy. (all are blacklisted for Hates Children and Bad Parent, so the buffs never appear)
(Interaction Tuning files) mixer_social_OfferToFeelBaby_Invite_targeted_Friendly_alwaysOn_Pregnancy, mixer_social_ShareBigNews_targeted_Friendly_alwaysOn_pregnancy (Hates Children and Bad Parent are blacklisted, so they will never give positive responses, and will reject offers to feel a pregnant sims baby even if they are romantic partners)

At present the full functionality of my positive moodlet scrubber does not work, please see BUGS for more information.
Download files
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
Filename - Tip: You can click the magnifying glass to see the archive contents Size Downloads Date
Bad_Parent-icon.zip | Description: This is the OLD mod. Not recommended you use it. 42.5 KB 6,175 22nd Jul 2018
HatesChildren_1.301.rar 36.3 KB 1,485 26th Feb 2019
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