[Tutorial] Split-level stairs – Quick walkthrough

[plasticbox]

How to do this type of stairs in TS3 (will work for TS2, too):
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/1/7/8/2/8/2/MTS2_plasticbox_969499_WB005_Overview-0-D.jpg
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/1/7/8/2/8/2/MTS2_plasticbox_969500_WB005_Overview-1-D.jpg

The way this works is basically identical to TS2, with the exception that you can't do "clicks" of the terrain tool with any degree of precision in TS3 anymore, so you need to use stairs as a measurement instead. Some people already did this in TS2 too, they won't notice a difference at all.

Screenshots above are from this upload (http://www.modthesims.info/d/358066) ("Wee Barnoid #05", by myself).


Please note that this is only a walkthrough for people who already know how split levels work, but for some reason aren't sure about split level stairs and/or about the differences between TS2 and TS3. It is not a generic split level or stairs tutorial and will never be, since there are already 2 billion (http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Tutorials:Stairs%26Lifts%26Elevators) others (http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Tutorials:Stairs_Tutorials) of those (http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Tutorials:Split_Levels) – I'm only posting it to help people make the connection between split levels in general and this particular type of stairs.

If you don't know how the cfe cheat works or what a split level is, this tutorial isn't for you – please do not post here, take a look at the wiki > Build Mode (http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Tutorials:Building_Tutorials) instead. Regarding stairs in TS3, also check out this thread (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=351130).

Note for TS3 players who never used TS2: most of Build Mode is nearly identical in both games – don't ignore TS2 tutorials thinking they aren't for you, it's very likely they will work for TS3 too. Some of the newer tutorials on this site already point this out, but the older ones often don't (since they were written before TS3 existed).



Step 0
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Before you do anything else, turn off the auto roofs. They are useless and will only get in the way. (If anyone knows how to disable this option by default, I'd be grateful if you'd post about it.)


Step 1
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Make a box for your lower level, and two small boxes where your stairs will be. Those are not technically necessary, but you'll probably want walls somewhere near the stairs later on and those will need to be sloped – it's easier if you build them now (you can always delete them again) instead of building them later and having to re-do the stairs.


Step 2
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/1/7/8/2/8/2/MTS2_plasticbox_969492_stairs02.jpg
Make a box for your upper level, add flooring, add walls around the stairs and the landing.


Step 3
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/1/7/8/2/8/2/MTS2_plasticbox_969493_stairs03.jpg
Make an 8 steps deep hole somewhere on the side where the landing is, and build a wall in that hole. (TS2 users: don't bother trying to make an "8-click deep hole", it won't work. Clicks aren't a precise measurement in TS3 anymore.)


Step 4
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Turn on cfe, and bring down the landing to the same height as the wall in the hole. This will result in a landing that's 8 steps high – you can also do a 12 steps high landing simply by making your hole only 4 steps deep, or a 4 steps high one by flattening from a piece of foundation instead (you can skip the stairs/hole business in that case, foundations are exactly 4 steps high already).


Step 5
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/1/7/8/2/8/2/MTS2_plasticbox_969495_stairs05.jpg
Build stairs from your upper floor down to the landing (I usually build stairs on both sides and then delete one of them again, in order to have the walls sloped equally on both sides).


Step 6
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/1/7/8/2/8/2/MTS2_plasticbox_969496_stairs06.jpg
Build a stair from the landing down to the ground floor. You'll need to delete the innermost wall of the "stair box" underneath it before you do so, since a stair can't be placed through a wall.


Step 7
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Add some sort of roofing on top of the landing (now is a good time since the ceiling above it will likely become sloped later on, depending on what you want to do with the upper level, and the roof tool does not like slopes). Most likely you'll want to build some sort of wall on top of this, so if you use a shed roof like in the screenshot, you'll need to delete its inner wall.


Step 8 ff

The stairs are done now, it's up to you what to do with the upper level from here on out. Add a dummy level on top of it if you want a flat roof or add more levels, build a Bigger Attic (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=156028)-type roof, build only a small box and use the rest for a roof terrace, etc pp. In most cases you will have to flatten the top level somehow (at least temporarily) in order to build anything on it -- this works the same as the landing: make a hole using stairs, build 2 walls in it, and flatten.
http://thumbs2.modthesims2.com/img/1/7/8/2/8/2/MTS2_plasticbox_969498_stairs08.jpg
The floor immediately left and right of the stairs will be sloped on the top floor, so you need to somehow incorporate that in your building. Use it for a chimney, make the room below it 2-story, leave it open, or just wall it in and pretend it doesn't exist. (This is the reason I often make my landings poke out of the building -- one useless sloped tile less to take care of).


I hope that explains everything.

Please do not PM me with questions, post here instead.

[tchoa91]

First, thank you PlasticBox for that tuto w/ clear pics !
And to be clear, ever if I knew CFE from TS2, I'm not at ease w/ that tech.

1. I don't anderstand last step : why we have to dig a hole and use two walls, how deep is that hole ? I flattermed from the side of the house and it worked ...

2. The tiles aside the stairs on top floor ain't usable, are they ? They got flop, even after flattering top floor ...

Simmy greetings

[plasticbox]

1. I don't anderstand last step : why we have to dig a hole and use two walls, how deep is that hole ? I flattermed from the side of the house and it worked
Exactly *how* you flatten the top floor (and to what height) is completely up to you -- what you do with the rest of the house is beyond the scope of this walkthrough. You should just do it in a way that doesn't change the landing (e.g. flatten it from the opposite side, like in the pic).


2. The tiles aside the stairs on top floor ain't usable, are they ? They got flop, even after flattering top floor
Yes, that's what I meant in the last bit: "The floor immediately left and right of the stairs will be sloped on the top floor, so you need to somehow incorporate that in your building".

[tchoa91]

Hello plasticbox,

Thaks so much for andswering me. Everything was in your original post, sorry, I'm stupid sometimes ...

Though, despite the difficulty of the technique, your walkthrough is really clear and easy to follow.

Here are captures of my tests making large slip stairs all inside the house in a corner (I let all possible windows) =>

[plasticbox]

Thank you for posting those screenshots -- they're a very good example for doing the same thing, only different =).

[ellacharmed]

@plasticbox, tutorial up. I posted it here (http://www.modthesims.info/showpost.php?p=2740664&postcount=19)

I'm still trying to get the smallest stairwell possible in Sims 3, that 6x6 stairwell area is too big for my starter houses' floorplans. Smallest footprint so far for a 3-level house is 4x4, to counteract the overlapping limitation. I've been reading all you guys' tips and going over TS2 stuff again to get inspiration.

@tchoa91, great job, you catch on fast!
I had to re-do and bulldoze and rebuild countless times when I started doing this circular and split-level stuff even back in Sims 2 when using CFE and modular stairs were relatively easier

[l3lake]

First I want to thank you so much for making this. Worked wonderfully!

I have run into a problem I'm not sure is fixable though. I wanted to do this type of stair going up three stories, but one of the stair pieces will not place. At first I thought maybe something on the house was messing it up, so I did the technique from scratch on a blank lot and the same stair would not place. Is there no way around this?

[edit] Nevermind, I figured it out, thanks! :up:

[iDorkette]

Thanks so much for sharing this!
I can't wait to go and try this. :)

[Darkona.Goth]

I wanted to do this type of stair going up three stories, but one of the stair pieces will not place. At first I thought maybe something on the house was messing it up, so I did the technique from scratch on a blank lot and the same stair would not place. Is there no way around this?
I have exactly the same problem, but i can't understand how to place stairs between 2 and 3rd floor, can you help me, please? :)

[ellacharmed]

Try placing them top-down (ie start at your highest floor level) and they can't overlap on subsequent floors/levels

[NightlyEMP]

Thanks a lot for taking the time to make this, plasticbox. It helped me out a lot :)

[plasticbox]

Just a heads-up -- if you want to discuss split-level stairs in general (not only this particular make and model), can you use a general split level thread for that please? Like for example this one: http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=351130

I just moved a few posts from here to there, because here the discussion would only get lost -- this thread is only about one particular solution, not about general discussion. Thank you.

[melcelestial83]

Thanks, Plasticbox! You're my hero! <3

[FragS]

hey first of all, great tutorial, i could understand it really easily but at one point i have a problem, look at this picture:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8554/wrongwall.jpg

the wall from the first stairs is to high, i want it from the ground to the platform and not from the roof to the platform.

thanks a lot

Frags

ps: my englisch is not as good as my german, so please don't tease me :rofl:

[plasticbox]

You need to delete that wall, then close the room, then build the stairs again (inside the closed room – with walls all around). The side walls of the stairs will be added automatically (they're a special type of walls that gets added to indoor stairs automatically).

[FragS]

ah, okay

i thought i need to built the wall by myself, now it is down and i thank your for your help

[Miriell]

Just wanted to say Thank you for a great tutorial. :) After learning about dummy levels in Ellacharm3d's tutorial I can now build stairs inside my houses with nice little landings thanks to your tutorial. :) I do however fear that any house I build in the future will now contain at least one staircase with split level landings lol.

Again, thanks bunch :)

[serenium]

BWUAH!
Thank you for the great tutorial :D I have been looking for one of these tutorials for a very long time and now I found yours.
Amazing :3
Thanks again~

[Maltha002]

Thanks for this awesome tutorial :-)

[Eglentyne]

Thank you for the refresher.

[tropvraitropvrai]

Oh my God, I wanted to thank you sooo much! I'm such a fan of your Barnoids (can you see who thanks them?) and always wondered how you did the stairs. I combined this tutorial with your "bigger attic" tutorial and just... thank you. It frustrated me, trying to come up with ideas how you got two six by six stairs (without cheating). Admittedly, my first house looked a bit like one of your Barnoids, but I'm just heading back to try things 'my' way. Thanks again!

[yucaipa_scrapbooker]

I hope you can help me, I love the tutorial that you posted! You are a God LOL. Anyway, when I do the stairs and I am done, the wall (or paint) design goes downward. Whatever I put on the outside wether it be paint, rock, etc, that wall that the stairs are attached to the pain goes into a "V" shape. Can you help? Thank you so so much! :help:

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p474/ashley_earnest_2008/Screenshot-231.jpg

[plasticbox]

That's how it works .. those walls are slanted, just like the indoor ones, because that's how you get them to be less high. There's nothing you can do about it.

[yucaipa_scrapbooker]

Oh ok, I wasnt sure if it was suppose to be like that. I appreciate you letting me know about that :)

[amora_selvagen]

My english is poor...and i do not know what CFE mean...Cold you tell me please!!!!?
no need anymore..i found out..lol...thanks I will try today!!!

[jrpthepixie]

thank you so much forgot how to do this all since playing sims2 easy to read and good instructions thanks a ton can make my houses nicer again

[lorenrose1013]

this tutorial taught me what 4 others could not. Thanks!

[darkgreed453]

do you use the level terrain to level the wall coz im confused?