Confused Romance Sim

[JDacapo]

How often do you get a Romance sim that wants to get engaged to one or more of his lovers, and has a secondary aspiration that is something besides family. I have a Romance/knowledge sim, and he wants to get engaged to a couple of his lovers, and at the same time, he fears it.

[lauratje86]

At the moment Bella Bachelor (ie the former Bella Goth, from Talia's cleaned up Pleasantview) wants to get engaged to Don Lothario - her daughter's ex-husband! I've interpreted that as meaning that she's obsessed with him and thinks that he's the man of her dreams and they're meant to be together. She also keeps rolling wants to cook and/or learn to cook, so I guess she wants to be able to keep house for him once they're married... :-)

[Phoeberg]

I get this too. I also sometimes get sims who roll the getting struck by lightning want, and yet have rolled the fear too. Clearly split personality disorder!

[Gcgb53191]

One of my romance sim's LTW is six grandchildren 0_o

[JDacapo]

My sims with the secondary knowledge trait often roll the want and fear of getting struck by lightning, as well as [werewolf] howls wants and fears. Weird. They'll also get the want and fear of meeting Bigfoot.

[M.M.A.A.]

...I have a Romance/knowledge sim, and he wants to get engaged to a couple of his lovers, and at the same time, he fears it.

Knowledge sims can sometimes act like family sims, for example, they will sometimes want to have a baby, get engaged and even get married (duh!).

It was mentioned before that Knowledge and Popularity are great matches for family sims.

One of my romance sim's LTW is six grandchildren 0_o

Was his aspiration family sims at first? Did you THEN change it to romance, because that might be the reason, all you need to do is re-roll the LTW with a mod/hack.

Anyway, its great to see some romance sims that want to be committed.

[Yazoo]

Nothing makes a Sim gross, when they are a Romance Sim and they want to kiss their step-mother. Disturbing. o.O But usually my Romance Sims, fear always getting engaged to the person they just recently fell in love with.

[Gcgb53191]

Knowledge sims can sometimes act like family sims, for example, they will sometimes want to have a baby, get engaged and even get married (duh!).

It was mentioned before that Knowledge and Popularity are great matches for family sims.



Was his aspiration family sims at first? Did you THEN change it to romance, because that might be the reason, all you need to do is re-roll the LTW with a mod/hack.

Anyway, its great to see some romance sims that want to be committed.

I highly doubt it, thought her 2nd aspiration could be family but I don't remember I'll have to check that :anime:

[JDacapo]

I highly doubt it, thought her 2nd aspiration could be family but I don't remember I'll have to check that :anime:

My Romance sim was Romance from the start, and I chose knowledge as his secondary. It was so much fun to play him on the business lot, because he was pretty easy to please, and I could see some drama brewing due to him flirting with his customers.

[Peni Griffin]

It's not unusual for my Romance sims to have their entire wants panel full of marry/engaged wants, with corresponding fears in the fear panel. Unless you lock them, they roll away faster than other wants most of the time.

If a Romance sim with a lot of lovers rolls wants to marry the same lover repeatedly - I say, lock that puppy and let the drama begin. Alternatively, you could have a Romance sim act impulsively on a marriage want during a date, and live to regret it, or to live up to it. (That's essentially what I'm doing with my Billy Ghote, who is giving me some nice chewy character stuff.)

[M.M.A.A.]

I highly doubt it, thought her 2nd aspiration could be family but I don't remember I'll have to check that :anime:

And by knowledge and popularity, I meant sims, not as secondary aspirations. Just to clear that up.

[Orilon]

It sounds like the secondary is "conflicting" in a way with the primary. Knowledge Sims do roll the want to get engaged and get married, and the have a baby want rolls up occasionally (just not as often as Family Sims.) So the Knowledge part is making the Sim want to get engaged/married, but the Romance part is making the Sim fear it.

I've noticed other want/fear combos in my game from having something other than knowledge primary and then the knowledge secondary. I've seen a Fortune/Knowledge Sim roll the want and the fear of being hit by lightning (Knowledge Sims want to be hit and other Aspirations fear it. Knowledge Sims want a family member/themselves be abducted by aliens, other Aspirations fear it. Knowledge Sims want to meet Bigfoot, and the other Aspirations fear it, so I had a Family/Knowledge Sim want and fear meeting Bigfoot.

[JDacapo]

It's not unusual for my Romance sims to have their entire wants panel full of marry/engaged wants, with corresponding fears in the fear panel. Unless you lock them, they roll away faster than other wants most of the time.

If a Romance sim with a lot of lovers rolls wants to marry the same lover repeatedly - I say, lock that puppy and let the drama begin. Alternatively, you could have a Romance sim act impulsively on a marriage want during a date, and live to regret it, or to live up to it. (That's essentially what I'm doing with my Billy Ghote, who is giving me some nice chewy character stuff.)

Oh I might do that... one of his wants is to get engaged to a townie who happens to be a Family sim... think I should lock this want?

[Fivey]

Jessie Pilferson in my normal Pleasantview neighborhood has rolled to get engaged to Alexander Goth twice. Once while he was in college (then she cheated on him with one of his frat brothers, breaking the engagement and driving Alex to drop out), and once again recently. He's much older than her now, but she still sees herself okay with putting a ring on it. However, Alexander is positively bonkers. Jessie is a pathological liar. They're each other's poison.

Also, Theo Fleurada in Middleground rolled a want to be engaged to one of the Downtownie Slobs, which was weird. Fulfilled it anyway.

I only have up to OFB (too cheap and I don't want to update all my mods), so no secondaries.

[rogue_55]

A good way to get romance sims engaged is to make them have a dream date. Sometimes they get the want to get engaged while they are still on the date. I made one of my couples (both romance sims) get engaged during their date and I made them get married right after the date ended. Then I sent them to the closet to try for a baby and it was successful.

[JDacapo]

Jessie Pilferson in my normal Pleasantview neighborhood has rolled to get engaged to Alexander Goth twice. Once while he was in college (then she cheated on him with one of his frat brothers, breaking the engagement and driving Alex to drop out), and once again recently. He's much older than her now, but she still sees herself okay with putting a ring on it. Alexander isn't the most sane person, but Jessie isn't really the best person to commit to either. They're each other's poison.

Also, Theo Fleurada in Middleground rolled a want to be engaged to one of the Downtownie Slobs, which was weird. Fulfilled it anyway.

I only have up to OFB (too cheap and I don't want to update all my mods), so no secondaries.

Sounds pretty cool! Anyway, I hope you do get the rest of the expansion packs someday, when they start selling really cheap on ebay. Gardening and fishing are fun to watch, and a great way to get more food points without having to order food all the time.

[dieKristina]

It has happend for me too, though the romance aspiration is very rare in my game when I play my custom ´hood. I remember once when I played the Pleasantview townie Ricky Cormier, who had almost 10 lovers, after his graduation from college. His "favorite" lover was still in college, but all of a sudden he rolled the want to get married to her. That was a bit strange since they were not even engaged and you can´t marry a playable college student either... I think this has happend other times too, but it´s pretty rare. I have, however, NEVER had a romance sim roll a want to have a baby without a secondary family aspiration.

[Peni Griffin]

Many Romance sims are in love with love and are kidding themselves that each one is The One. You meet people like this all the time in real life. The confusion between Romance (the exciting stage of falling in love, when you're obsessing on each other and doing the do-you-don't-you dance) and True Love (necessary not only to sustain a marriage long enough to raise children but to successfully negotiate things like who does the dishes and get past that annoying thing he does when he's eating) in our culture doesn't help.

Even Mary Munny, who never had a secondary aspiration and has been merrily dating all over Drama Acres since the day she stepped out of CAS, has started rolling wants to get married, if the current young fella is too much like the last young fella and she gets bored (it's never a want to marry the one she's with at that moment, and it rolls away fast). I keep thinking I need to hook her up with someone in her own lifestage, but somehow they never appear in a good position in the phone book when I arrange them by chemistry. I'm always having people who are fresh out of college rolling wants to get married to the person they're dating, even when the date is still in college and can't. The prohibition against marriage has been lifted for them and they want to get on with it. At that point you can decide to lock it, or to forego the rest of the date's college education, ask him to move in, and do the marriage. I've had family sims - notably Sparrow Hawkins (Romance secondary) and Luis Iana (started as Pleasure; changed to Family with a Pleasure secondary) who never rolled the want to get engaged in college at all, but wanted to get married as soon as they graduated. I gave them character reasons for deferring the commitment.

Stop thinking of wants like this as belonging solely to certain aspirations. Very few wants are actually limited to a particular aspiration; they're just more likely to roll for some than for others, and probabilities are adjusted again when a secondary is added. And the major life wants - get engaged, get married, have baby - are, like date wants, dependent on circumstances, not aspiration. Over and over I see people looking at certain wants and combinations of wants and pronouncing them "Weird" when in fact they're well within the parameters of probability.

Inappropriate LTWs, however, are a glitch and should be addressed; especially if they change mid-game with no corresponding aspiration change. But remember that many LTWs are available to more than one aspiration. Only Family sims (whether the aspiration is primary or secondary) ever roll wants for Golden Weddings, but both Pleasure and Romance sims roll wants to become Celebrity Chefs.

[JDacapo]

Many Romance sims are in love with love and are kidding themselves that each one is The One. You meet people like this all the time in real life. The confusion between Romance (the exciting stage of falling in love, when you're obsessing on each other and doing the do-you-don't-you dance) and True Love (necessary not only to sustain a marriage long enough to raise children but to successfully negotiate things like who does the dishes and get past that annoying thing he does when he's eating) in our culture doesn't help.

Stop thinking of wants like this as belonging solely to certain aspirations. Very few wants are actually limited to a particular aspiration; they're just more likely to roll for some than for others, and probabilities are adjusted again when a secondary is added. And the major life wants - get engaged, get married, have baby - are, like date wants, dependent on circumstances, not aspiration. Over and over I see people looking at certain wants and combinations of wants and pronouncing them "Weird" when in fact they're well within the parameters of probability.

Inappropriate LTWs, however, are a glitch and should be addressed; especially if they change mid-game with no corresponding aspiration change. But remember that many LTWs are available to more than one aspiration. Only Family sims (whether the aspiration is primary or secondary) ever roll wants for Golden Weddings, but both Pleasure and Romance sims roll wants to become Celebrity Chefs.

True. It's just so funny though, because Romance sims are known for fearing marriage and any other sort of commitment. And I noticed that Jason Greenman's LTW in Riverblossom Hills is to reach Golden Anniversary. Is it a glitch, or was he just made that way? I do know that a lot of Downtownies do have some rather inappropriate LTWs, like a Popularity sim who wants to become a Mad Scientist, or a Pleasure sim who has a Family LTW... forgot what it was, but the sim in question was one of the Tricou bastards, and I think most if not all of them have inappropriate LTWs.

[Peni Griffin]

That may be so in your game. The LTWs of downtownies, like their names, are randomly generated on creation. All of my Tricou bastards and brought-in townies have had appropriate aspirations. If this sort of thing is common in your game something's wrong.

I had a glitch once, long ago when I first joined, that affected the wants of lots of my sims, and I never tracked it down. It caused graduates to lose their extra want slots and scrambled LTWs. Since I didn't know enough to have backups at that time, and since the condition appeared to be random, happened offstage, and couldn't be tested for, I had to settle for fixing the wants slots and LTWs with the batbox, retraining my affected sims (many of whom acted like sims fresh out of CAS instead of like themselves - since it preferentially targeted pregnant women this was the effect that hurt the most), and adopting good neighborhood hygiene. I clear my caches every time I play now, and haven't had a recurrence since, knock wood.

[JDacapo]

That may be so in your game. The LTWs of downtownies, like their names, are randomly generated on creation. All of my Tricou bastards and brought-in townies have had appropriate aspirations. If this sort of thing is common in your game something's wrong.

I had a glitch once, long ago when I first joined, that affected the wants of lots of my sims, and I never tracked it down. It caused graduates to lose their extra want slots and scrambled LTWs. Since I didn't know enough to have backups at that time, and since the condition appeared to be random, happened offstage, and couldn't be tested for, I had to settle for fixing the wants slots and LTWs with the batbox, retraining my affected sims (many of whom acted like sims fresh out of CAS instead of like themselves - since it preferentially targeted pregnant women this was the effect that hurt the most), and adopting good neighborhood hygiene. I clear my caches every time I play now, and haven't had a recurrence since, knock wood.

I've read in the Sims wiki that the Tricou bastards all have specific LTWs, like becoming Criminal Mastermind, which aren't Pleasure LTWs(though I could be mistaking). For example, http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Loren_Teens. There must have been some kind of special programming, since I don't think Pleasure sims generally want to marry off six kids. Then again, the Tricou kids aren't all that 'normal'.

[Peni Griffin]

The wiki is wrong on this point, I promise you. Also, it didn't used to say that. When I was first looking into the Tricous and found their wiki page, numbers were given rather than those names - I don't know where in the game data those names are found - and no LTWs were given for them. Somebody came along and edited it, thinking he knew more than he did. This glitch may be commoner with the Tricous than with other sims, or it may be a very common glitch among townies; but you only need one counterexample to demonstrate that it is not true as a blanket statement.

My "goth boy" wants 50 dream dates; my "skater boy" wants to be a prestidigitator, my "Asian boy" wants to be a celebrity chef, my "black boy" wants 50 first dates, and of the girls one wants to be a celebrity chef (but is doing nothing about it) and I don't remember what the other, whose aspiration has been changed to Fortune, wanted originally, but it was nothing to cause surprise. And this certainly isn't something that got fixed in mods, because when the first Tricou came in I didn't have any. I barely had custom clothes.

An interesting sidelight, however - that prestidigitator want? Wasn't possible till I added Freetime. My Tricous were all generated well before I installed Freetime, too. So something happened at some point between his generation and his coming to college to give him that want. It may have been the same process that gave him and other townies generated prior to Freetime random club memberships. It would be interesting to know.

[JDacapo]

That's weird... I will hafta check again, but I'm sure that is how they were made. Very, very odd.

[simkat]

The Downtownies do in fact have inappropriate LTW's (example)
Cancer family sim DT wants too be mad scientist the one wearing the bowling outfit
I know there are others that have some too.As for the Tricou Teens I never use them so I only know they are all pleasure with different zodiac signs.Not trying too cause an issue it's been that way sense Nightlife was released.

[Peni Griffin]

All I can tell you is what happened in my game. I certainly haven't checked the LTWs of every downtownie out there; just that all the ones I know about are fine and I haven't done anything to them.

[M.M.A.A.]

I have had Confused Family Sims, where an engaged family sim wanted to flirt with another guy other than her fiance! A big disappointment. :( Also, she didn't have any wants about her fiance, only about another uni townie. He didn't even have wants about her. He's a knowledge, which is supposed to be a great aspiration match here.

[Fivey]

I have had Confused Family Sims, where an engaged family sim wanted to flirt with another guy other than her fiance! A big disappointment. :( Also, she didn't have any wants about her fiance, only about another uni townie. He didn't even have wants about her. He's a knowledge, which is supposed to be a great aspiration match here.

Tyler Fleurada did that to me. However, I kind of sided with Tyler on the issue, and went with the target. I'll take that triple bolting cow mascot over the single bolting dormie, danke.

[M.M.A.A.]

Tyler Fleurada did that to me. However, I kind of sided with Tyler on the issue, and went with the target. I'll take that triple bolting cow mascot over the single bolting dormie, danke.

After the honeymoon, I gave the perk that has a small pink heart which increased their chemistry to triple bolts. They still do romantic interactions with each other, its just that they don't roll wants about each other. I'm thinking of changing their aspiration to something and back to the original, just to refresh it.

[Sunbee]

I've got a romance sim who wants to marry her first two baby-daddies and fears marrying the third. At the moment. She changes her mind about what she wants or doesn't want about ten times daily. Can you send your recalcitrant sims on a date?

[A.G.Doren]

I have experience townies and pre-mades that have seemingly inappropriate wants. I suspect maxis sort of programmed them in goofy ways.

I suspect that romance sims that grow up in stable families with parents that are married are more likely to roll the want to get married. Remember your sims accumulate all sorts of unseen skills and knowledge based on life experience. You'll really notice this if you play a legacy household my third and fourth generations sims were amazing parents and good at all sort of things that had nothing to do with their aspirations.

[TychoH]

I have had Confused Family Sims, where an engaged family sim wanted to flirt with another guy other than her fiance! A big disappointment. :( Also, she didn't have any wants about her fiance, only about another uni townie. He didn't even have wants about her. He's a knowledge, which is supposed to be a great aspiration match here.

One of my married Family Sims did the same, she wanted to flirt with another man than her husband, although she loved him a lot :P
But I think it was because my married Sims were only woohooing and raising children, they didn't spend time with eachother. Maybe she just wanted someone who was there actually for her :P

[Peni Griffin]

Yeah, you have to work on sim marriages just as much as real ones. And the odd desire to flirt with someone other than your spouse isn't worrying, as long as they aren't acted on and they roll wants about their spouses. It doesn't matter where you get your appetite, as long as you do your eating at home. If just going on a date doesn't work, MMAA, try the Ask/Do You Like What You See? interaction. If the two are compatible that should scramble the wants and bring up some romantic ones. And if they aren't...well, you might be playing a divorce later on, that's all. Rough on them; more drama for you.

So, are people basing the statement that townies and downtownies have weird LTWs on what they have when they enter the game as full playables? Or on what shows in SimPE and/or when made selectable temporarily via a hack or mod?

Because one potential cause for the difference, and my failure to experience it, would be, if LTWs aren't assigned until the townie becomes a playable, so that looking at the LTW prior to that would just show the first Lifetime Want in the list - which is Become Criminal Mastermind in an alphabetically arranged list, the most-often cited inappropriate LTW - or some random one that happens to be on top at the moment due to some chaotically complicated code interaction. This would also explain why one of my Tricous got an LTW that wasn't available in the game when he first generated because I didn't add the EP that created it till later.

Also, is this happening to y'all with all townies, regardless of how you make them playable? I have never used boolprop to make anybody selectable, or the SimBlender to make a townie into a playable, or any of that stuff. I've changed one townie to a playable using SimPE, and everybody else became playable either by being moved to University as a teen, by marrying in, or by being invited to move in. No, wait, Gilscarbo got added by accident when I used Christianlov's gussy up program too close to going home and he got added to my household. He's got a normal LTW, too. (Celebrity Chef.)

I'm just spitballing, here. I don't know enough about code or the way the game works to test the hypothesis. And if I did I wouldn't want to take the time right now, since I've to some troubleshooting to do.

[iCad]

My Romance folk often roll wants to get engaged, particularly depending on their secondary aspiration, sometimes with and sometimes without corresponding fears. I assign aspirations, both primary and secondary, randomly, so I get some really odd combinations sometimes, which generates both odd wants AND odd LTW. I like it that way.

If they're Romance/Family or Romance/Knowledge, the engagement wants happen a lot, actually. Sometimes they roll to get engaged to several people at once, which I interpret as, "OK, you want to be a polygamist. I can make that happen." (And I can, because I have the hacked wedding arch that allows for multiple marriages.) Often, they won't roll wants to marry anyone they get engaged to, but my philosophy is, "You rolled to get engaged, you get the whole enchilada, buster. Deal with it."

And I find that it doesn't ALWAYS generate drama to marry off Romance Sims, even if they have long...um, histories, particularly if their spouse(s) is/are tolerant when/if things happen on community lots. Some of them "domesticate" quite well, particularly if they have a secondary that jives with domestication, like Family. However, I find that Romance/Pleasure Sims domesticate well, too. It seems to me that their Pleasure side just kind of takes over, and they get lots of Pleasure's goofy wants. And they'll roll a lot of "generic" woohoo wants like "Woohoo in Bed" or "Woohoo in Hot Tub" or "Public Woohoo" rather than a lot of "Woohoo with 10 Different Sim" wants. The former are easily fulfilled with their spouse(s), and it keeps them quite happy.

But then, sometimes the drama is all kinds of fun, too.


So, are people basing the statement that townies and downtownies have weird LTWs on what they have when they enter the game as full playables? Or on what shows in SimPE and/or when made selectable temporarily via a hack or mod?

I make townies/downtownies playable a lot, and I've frankly never noticed any "weird" wants/LTWs. They all seem to be "in line" with the aspiration the game gave them. True, if they've been around for a while or dated a playable of mine or if they were a dormie for a long time and built up strong relationships with other dormies before they became playable, they'll sometimes generate various wants pertaining to those Sims, but I'd take that as normal (and welcome!) continuity, not strangeness. But then, maybe it's because the first thing I do after I move 'em in is to assign them a secondary aspiration, which kind of mixes up the pot, anyway? I dunno...

[JDacapo]

Angelo came from a very stable family, and a large one at that. His mum, Bluebell, has started going on lots of dates with Phil, in order to bring a different kind of 'magic' into their marriage. Angelo has been rolling wants to go on dates and stuff, and of course I am trying to get him to deflower the head evil witch as he's already deflowered the head good witch. I might even have him date my Claire Ursine, just to create some more drama and perhaps have him become a baby-daddy. I may also have him date Ariel Winters, a Romance/family sim I had created early on.

[DJ.]

Also, something funny happened to me:

After having her third baby, my Sim had a want, "Have another baby" AND a fear, "Have another baby". And consider I only had base game back then. ;)

~DJ.

[M.M.A.A.]

Yeah, you have to work on sim marriages just as much as real ones. And the odd desire to flirt with someone other than your spouse isn't worrying, as long as they aren't acted on and they roll wants about their spouses. It doesn't matter where you get your appetite, as long as you do your eating at home. If just going on a date doesn't work, MMAA, try the Ask/Do You Like What You See? interaction. If the two are compatible that should scramble the wants and bring up some romantic ones. And if they aren't...well, you might be playing a divorce later on, that's all. Rough on them; more drama for you.

I did that with Elmer and Sophie Miguel and they did not like what they were seeing. I think I can see a divorce in the near/distant future if she's not willing to make things right.

[SimMegaptera]

Yeah... I've had the one who fears having a baby while she's pregnant. I can't remember if she had the want at the same time, but if she did, the fear outweighed the want and she went into aspiration failure standing there with the baby in her arms.

[M.M.A.A.]

Yeah... I've had the one who fears having a baby while she's pregnant. I can't remember if she had the want at the same time, but if she did, the fear outweighed the want and she went into aspiration failure standing there with the baby in her arms.

I wonder why Romance sims, if those are who you are talking about, never get a red memory of having a baby. I know that family sims do too, but, hey their FAMILY, so they probably won't, but why or what about Romance?

[Peni Griffin]

The have baby fear is generally worth 5,000; the have baby want is worth 8,000; so if a family sim has both at once, she should not have an aspiration problem. Mine never have. Even Kitty Hawkins was scared about it sometimes; mostly when the house was particularly chaotic and the income stream was in a bad way.

Nobody ever has "have grandchild" fears, do they?

[TortureTheNannies]

I have a family sim whose lifetime want is "eat 200 grilled cheese sandwiches" .. She's never changed aspiration nor used the re-nu-u sensu orb. She never talks about grilled cheese either. Silly sims.

[Aegagropilon]

If the object of a Romance sim is to date many and often, while that of a Family sim is to have a family...

Jessie Pilferson is definitely a Romance sim "failure" in my game: she has four kids, and hasn't yet rolled a "have a baby" fear. She's joined in failurehood by her live-in boyfriend Gunnar Roque, who has a Family sim-style pregnancy horn. They consistently roll fears of getting engaged and married, though that hasn't stopped them from being almost entirely exclusive to each other (Jessie dates Ripp Grunt as well, but Gunnar only dates Jessie. He does roll date wants for any pregnant lady he sees, though :lol: ).

Mickey Dosser and Fortran Curious are my other two big failures: they have green engagement memories after rolling the want to get engaged to each other during a date. They're not at all exclusive, but neither fears getting married to the other.

[el_flel]

My romance sims definitely get confused sometimes. In addition to them occasionally both wanting and fearing engagement/marriage/babies, they'll often have a negative memory for an engagement but a positive memory for the marriage. I guess they were apprehensive about getting serious at first, but then realised they really did care for the other sim!

[AlexandraSpears]

I think there's an issue with engagement/marriage memories having the wrong color depending on aspiration, and I'd downloaded a fix for it.

I think it's from Boiling Oil over at Simbology, and the file is called EngagementMemoryFix.

[Aegagropilon]

I think they have the green memories because they didn't have the fear at the time. It doesn't bother me -- I think it's cute -- and my non-Romance sims that have red engagement memories have made for storyline stuff.