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12th Apr 2005, 04:21 PM
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Thraxwhirl
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YAYYY!! A Communist T-Shirt!
Many thanks, Comrade. :D
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12th Apr 2005, 06:03 PM
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Cool Shirt
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12th Apr 2005, 07:04 PM
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communism is respondsable for 150+ Million people killed by artificial famin and other brutal communist goverments, I find this skin offensive to the highest degree, I demand it to be taken down.
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12th Apr 2005, 07:12 PM
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Mistermook
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Get over it. The shirt skin is responsible for nothing.
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12th Apr 2005, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Blem
communism is respondsable for 150+ Million people killed by artificial famin and other brutal communist goverments, I find this skin offensive to the highest degree, I demand it to be taken down.
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I agree in the fact that communism is the most brutal form of government. If you look at facts Stalin was far worse then even Hitler. WWII (the germans), Korea, Vietnam all these wars have been started to try to stop communist expansion. So you can add all the causauilties of these to your 150 mil death least.
The great thing about our form of government though is that people have the freedom of speech. So even if you may not like it this sim has the right to exist for those that wish it to.
"I don't believe in what you say but i shall fight to the death for your right to say it" - Family Guy
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12th Apr 2005, 08:33 PM
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 nonesense!
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You have been properly trained by your masters i see.
'Communism' was not responsible for 150m deaths, plus if you want to go into deaths America, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, etc all 'good' non communist countries have caused horrendous death and destruction around the world.
You just don't like to think about that.
Vietnam was fought not to stop the spread of communism but because Ho Chi Minh was going to win a legal, free election that America had signed a treaty to follow. We did not want someone who would care more for the people of Vietnam than corporate or western interests so we faked an election and put an old Chinese gangster who had been living in New Jersey in (dictatorial) charge of Vietnam.
The guy was a brutal, sadistic piece of shit but since he was non communist thats okay, right? I meann deaths caused by democracys are for their own good?
To put another myth to rest when you say 'communist' you are talking about specific type of economy; The Soviet Union was not communist!
Stalin was a socialist, authoritarian, dictator. The rulers that follwed him essentially set up an oligarchic, socialist authoritarian state.
Socialism, or communism in its extreme form are economic systems.
It is very easy to have a liberal democratic socialist or even communist state just as it is possible to have a authoritarian, capitalist state.
Such as Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, modern China or the USA since the early 80's.
When you admit and apologize for every death caused by capitalist states then you can start throwing stones at your so called communists.
I am sorry for this off topic post but i do not like to see ignorance flaunted.
I am not a 'communist' or particularly a capitalist, i am an historian.
Michael A Johnson
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12th Apr 2005, 09:10 PM
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Love the shirt... think you could do a USSR variation (red, yellow, star on it?- I have one in my closet, wouldn't mind dressing the me sim in it too).
And my 2 cents into the political debate:
Communism n. - A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
Use a dictionary. A theory cannot kill. Perhaps Mr.Leader in some country was evil and killed many many people, but that doesn't mean the ideals are at fault. Look at the USA!
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12th Apr 2005, 09:12 PM
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Heids
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lycortas: thank you so much for shedding a little intelligence and actual fact into this topic.
I hate the fact that most people are indoctrinated into believing in the 'evil Communist government' it is just an economic system. Nothing more, nothing less.
You think Capitalist systems are scot free of any kind of horrendous actions? Think about colonialism and imperialism where you invade a country, take what you want, and leave. Think about the problems in Africa that are probably consequences of imperialism. Think about the war that is currently underway in Iran, Saddam Hussein isn't a Communist, look what he did to the people in his country.
Did you know that during the Cold War Micheal Gorbichev met up with Ronald Regan and Gorbichev proposed that both countries destroy all the nuclear weapons that they had? Did you know that Regan disagreed?
Just think about things a little before you assume. I'm not saying that Capitalism is a bad thing or that what is passed of as (no form of government that has the title of Communist is actually Communist. Countries have only ever breached as far as Socialism. This is all directly according to Karl Marx.) Communism is without its problems. Just consider things before you assume.
Anyway. Thanks for the great shirt. I'm downloading for sure ^_^.
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Last edited by Heids : 12th Apr 2005 at 10:47 PM.
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12th Apr 2005, 10:21 PM
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usiku
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This is my first post, but I've been lurking for a while. I'm over the moon that someone rational and intelligent like lycortas replied to this post before I saw it and ranted!
The self-evident indoctrination by our so-called "free democratic" societies is a scary thing to watch in action, and when people spout these "facts" you can see they actually believe they've thought them up themselves.
It's a t-shirt on a sim for heaven's sake - knee-jerk and completely uninformed reactions like this could even make me start to question democracy as a concept.
Anyway, thank you Heids and lycortas; and, to get back on topic - I think the shirt looks rather nice - I'll rate it as soon as I find out how to do that...
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12th Apr 2005, 10:21 PM
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Hah its always the person to complain that never experienced it first hand. I was born in Russia and the government wasn't responsible for no 150+ million deaths. It wasn't a bad form of government, its nice to see how easily the American propaganda works on easy minded people into believing that. That was the job of American Propaganda to get you to face with them, so get offended all you want because you have no idea what your yelling about. And Stalin was no where near Hitler. Oh and great shirt! 
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13th Apr 2005, 12:02 AM
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yes, capitalism is wonderful - that's why over a billion people get less than 1000 calories a day but Americans can afford to feed cattle and chickens so they can get fat and lazy.
Anyway, who invaded the soviet union with 3 million men- I believe it was Germany so they could literally enslave russia and murderer millions. I suggest the robots read mein kampt a few times.
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13th Apr 2005, 05:59 AM
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"yes, capitalism is wonderful - that's why over a billion people get less than 1000 calories a day but Americans can afford to feed cattle and chickens so they can get fat and lazy."
Yep... All us Americans are just rolling in excess.... Mwuhahahahahaha....
:P
That comment was just as bad as the anti-commie ones.
Did you enjoy your Propaganda flakes this morning too?
(lol... yeah, as if any of us are unaffected by propaganda- hell, even propaganda isn't an evil thing.)
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13th Apr 2005, 06:00 AM
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tugbug
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Originally Posted by Blem
communism is respondsable for 150+ Million people killed by artificial famin and other brutal communist goverments, I find this skin offensive to the highest degree, I demand it to be taken down.
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That's called "Population Control"
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13th Apr 2005, 07:24 PM
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population control? I dont think its needed do you? If your talking about China, then yes maybe, but doesnt everyone have the right to live? The Soviet Russians had no population problems, they just caused horrific mass murder in a brutal manner, Much worse that Hitler had alledgedly done. Theres no need for such treatment of people, And to advertise the communist sign is disgusting, YET LETS SAY, IMAGINE, we had a shirt with a swazica on it, They'd be the biggest f**kin outcry around!!. Simply because the media ignores and disregards those deaths simply because it wasnt Jews.
End of Rant, I agree with Vermetti comment.
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13th Apr 2005, 08:03 PM
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Saying communism is only an economic system is only a cowardly way of hiding within technically definitions of words. It always leads to brutal, corrupt, authoritarian dictators and it always will. I can't believe anyone could read a page of Russian history and not get disgusted beyond belief. I also don't need to hear false conspiracy theories about Vietnam, where so many brave American soldiers sacrificied their lives.
"Did you know that during the Cold War Micheal Gorbichev met up with Ronald Regan and Gorbichev proposed that both countries destroy all the nuclear weapons that they had? Did you know that Regan disagreed?" - Heids
He disagreed because it was a dirty communist lie. Gorbichev was trying to trick Regan into making USA defenceless to his attacks.
I agree with Blem regaurding the mass out cry there would be if there was a Swastika shirt. Too prove this I will make and try to post one. Looks like it's Auf Wiedersehen for me since I'll be banned for sure.
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14th Apr 2005, 12:17 AM
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usiku
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And once again, well done for making everyone's point so succinctly. Perhaps one could as easily say that America's attempts to take over the world (or sorry, only those bits it disagrees with) and saying it's upholding a moral principle is a filthy capitalist lie, designed purely to garner money for the corporates that your government has sold your liberty to?
You're living in the 50's where the propaganda originated. Have you checked under your bed for the red menace today? Gaah - I really can't be bothered. Please, post your swastika t-shirt - I won't be downloading it but surely that's the point: freedom of choice and freedom of speech? (Oh, sorry I forgot about the patriot act - please, disregard that last sentence.)
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14th Apr 2005, 12:24 AM
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usiku
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Lev, I've downloaded your shirt and it's lovely, thank you. Graphics are nice and clear and it's simple and effective. Keep up the good work - I've rated the thread - full marks for the work, particularly considering it's your first.
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14th Apr 2005, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Blem
population control? I dont think its needed do you? If your talking about China, then yes maybe, but doesnt everyone have the right to live? The Soviet Russians had no population problems, they just caused horrific mass murder in a brutal manner, Much worse that Hitler had alledgedly done. Theres no need for such treatment of people, And to advertise the communist sign is disgusting, YET LETS SAY, IMAGINE, we had a shirt with a swazica on it, They'd be the biggest f**kin outcry around!!. Simply because the media ignores and disregards those deaths simply because it wasnt Jews.
End of Rant, I agree with Vermetti comment.
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Now that you mention him, we should be lucky Hitler lost the war. His empire would have killed allmost half the world population, and enslave half of what was left of the 'non- arien' people, (out of 3 billion people on Earth in that time!!!!) if he had won. He literally wanted to cleanse the Earth of people who where not white... I can hardly imagine someone being that insane.
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14th Apr 2005, 02:39 AM
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Heids
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Wow, I feel so great to be quoted.
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14th Apr 2005, 03:00 AM
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I don't mind you saying that communism is evil, however, being MORE evil than National socialism or fascism- then you have some affinity for the nazis.
I don't believe karl marx's end was to create regimes like Pol pot's or Stalin's. Marx was a materialist and believed in development of primative countries that's why he supported british colonial rule in India (YES, even with capitalistic system) and that's why the chinese invaded Tibet- because they felt tibet would be better off under a more advanced country and they could develop it. But by no means is communism theory support or justified the slaughter of millions of people. But in any case when people believe that they have "right" on their side they're capable of anything. Whether it be colonial rule in africa, india, or tibet.
If marx were alive today I honestly believe he changed his position 100%- because he felt that capitalism could not possibly be a productive system because of the constant uncertainty and chaos in the markets, however, he felt, if you could "plan" development, you could make a country very productive- turns out he was wrong, what can I say he was a man of his time...
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14th Apr 2005, 03:43 AM
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The nazis would not have killed or enslaved "all of humanity". Germany was allied with Japan, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovakia and Finland in WWII. So all these lies you hear of Germans wanting to kill anything none german is simply propaganda. I also find it funny how you Americans always sell out your own governments at the drop of the hat.
Thank you bob_sandwich for the first accurate impression of Karl Marx I have heard in my life. So refreshing not to hear some spun version of the truth.
Sowieso I have no idea if this shirt will work since I've never edited anything in my life or posted with attachments for that matter. But this is more a statement againest ignorance then anything.
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14th Apr 2005, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Vermetti
The nazis would not have killed or enslaved "all of humanity". Germany was allied with Japan, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovakia and Finland in WWII. So all these lies you hear of Germans wanting to kill anything none german is simply propaganda.
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The point of nazi "social darwinism" is that only the strongest survive, while the weaker will perish. Not only would the nazis feel that killing all non-arians is justified, because if they succeed in doing so they were the stronger ones and thus had the right to do so - they would also start to kill the weakest of the arians as soon as all non-arians were killed, because the point of social darwinism remains the same. It is an inhumane ideology per definitionem and will stay such one until someone crushes it.
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Originally Posted by Vermetti
Saying communism is only an economic system is only a cowardly way of hiding within technically definitions of words. It always leads to brutal, corrupt, authoritarian dictators and it always will. I can't believe anyone could read a page of Russian history and not get disgusted beyond belief. I also don't need to hear false conspiracy theories about Vietnam, where so many brave American soldiers sacrificied their lives.
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By saying this you negate the possibility of progress in society. It is true that communism is not only an economic system. However what it is of an economic system is far more progressive than capitalism, because the planned economy allows to use productive forces according to the wishes of the population, while companies in capitalism basically do what they want, or what the rich can pay for.
Communism can also be a democratic system, if inhumane things -that happened to the bourgeois revolutions as well (remember robbespierre?)- can be prevented.
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Sowieso I have no idea if this shirt will work since I've never edited anything in my life or posted with attachments for that matter. But this is more a statement againest ignorance then anything.
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Contrary to communism I find it quite disgusting to show any nazi symbols, because it is an ideology used as tool to start wars, remove the workers movement and suppress the population, while communism is in my mind the scientific version of how a better society could be constructed. While communism had a bad outcome, fascism has exactly those intentions.
However, while above is just my personal opinion, in some countries the unreflected presentation of nazi symbols is forbidden, for example the one where you come from. And I may also kindly ask you to remove your shirt from here and use another thread for you nazi fashion experiments, this is probably not too much of a demand, you can post a link after all.
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