Romantic Rep.... Love it/Hate it?

[SimsLover50]

I personally am a bit fed up with the romantic reputation panel. I don't know but it bugs me that the game can decide if your sim is a cheater and give you a rep, even when there is no one around to see! It's a bit like the rumors that damaged your rep with celebrities. Plus... It is feasible to date more than one person at a time without being a cheater. *Grr*

I know this is a tad Ranty, but Eh... Since the 'no jealousy' award is borked it just seems to interfere too much.

What are your thoughts? Like it or hate it?

[SpookyOkyBatGirl]

I hate how I'm considered a cheater when I'm not OFFICIALLY in a relationship with somebody. Like, I don't think it's cheating for me to date several people at once if I don't have an OFFICIAL boyfriend/girlfriend. Or when the Sim is fooling around with the maid, but only behind the closed doors of his bedroom. Yet people know! wtf!? It's kind of dumb.

But it's also nice to know who's the town whore and who's the faithful companion in my town.

[SimsLover50]

It seems a bit intrusive and a tad old fashioned. A man or woman can have more than one boyfriend/girlfriend without it being cheating. How else can you do a good love triangle?

I disagreed with the celeb rumors too (out of wedlock baby wtf is this 1940's?) but this seems heavy handed to me.

[emino]

It doesnt really matter to me as I always play as a One Man/Woman Man/Woman.

[birdyfly]

I haven't had any problems so far with the romantic reputation, but if it is getting too bothersome for you, you can download Twallan's latest Story Progression mod.

Story Progression (http://www.the-isz.com/nraas/index.php?topic=929.0) gives me better control on who/if my sims flirt with autonomously and how much a sim will be disgraced for cheating.

Here are the new features with the update:

Options: Celebrity NEW
Allow Disgrace by Age-Stage NEW
Defines which ages are allowed to be disgraced by the game
Default: TYAE
Module: Expanded
Allow False Accusations NEW
Whether to allow false accusations to be levied against the active sims
Default: True
Module: Expanded
Celebrity Depreciation: Active Multiple NEW
The increase in depreciation applied to the active sims
Default: 2
Celebrity Points: Appreciation NEW
The number of points added whenever a sim engages in a relationship building scenario with a sim of a higher celebrity level
Default: 25
Celebrity Points: Depreciation NEW
The speed at which celebrity points are lost, on a per-day basis. Each level can be specified individually
Default: 50, 50, 25, 25, 50, 100
Disallow Disgrace By Type NEW
Allows the user to turn off certain types of disgraceful actions
Module: Expanded
Disgrace Relation Drop Chance NEW
The chance that a sim will feel compelled to reduce relationship with you when a disgraceful event occurs. This value is adjusted by trait-scoring.
Default: 25
Module: Expanded
Disgrace Relationship Change NEW
The amount of relationship lost whenever a disgraceful event occurs
Default: -10
Module: Expanded
Disgrace Report Chance NEW
The chance that a sim in the vicinity of a disgraceful event will spread it to the rumor mill.
Default: 50
Module: Expanded

[SpookyOkyBatGirl]

I wish it wasn't a ROMANTIC reputation as it was a normal reputation. Like "Sim is known as mean" or "Everybody thinks Sim is just wonderful!" or "People have been talking about how generous Sim is." Instead of "Sim is Naughty" or "Sim is faithful to his luva"

[SimsLover50]

I like the idea of overall reputation SpookyOkyBatGirl. That might be interesting, as there are many ways a person could gain a good or bad rep- from donating to charity for instance, or releasing spirits to move on etc.

I have considered Twallan's mods, however I don't like some of the features you can enable with some of them. Perhaps I will consider if there is just one that subdues the rep and those blasted memory thingees, but doesn't have all the other stuff. =-)

[birdyfly]

I like the idea of overall reputation SpookyOkyBatGirl. That might be interesting, as there are many ways a person could gain a good or bad rep- from donating to charity for instance, or releasing spirits to move on etc.

I have considered Twallan's mods, however I don't like some of the features you can enable with some of them. Perhaps I will consider if there is just one that subdues the rep and those blasted memory thingees, but doesn't have all the other stuff. =-)

There is another mod out there, but I didn't link it since it is in the process of being updated.
Extended game core which allows switching otherwise hard coded behavior (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=381046): This has a "pick and choose" option on what you want or do not want to install in your game. It seems that AD85 is working on updating it as well.

[r_deNoube]

It is feasible to date more than one person at a time without being a cheater. *Grr*

I concur. What would be the point of the "Propose going steady" interaction, if it's already assumed that you are?

[birdyfly]

I am not sure if this is a silly idea, but what if it was more like a combination of all three of the Sims?

For the Sims 2 romance, it would have that one-sided option where your Sim could have a crush on someone, but the other Sims doesn't even know she/he exists. That way it would still add drama if the Sim thinks he/she is dating someone, but the other Sim thinks they are friends. Obviously, they both can be in love with each other once their meter is up just like in Sims 2.

For the Sims 1 dating, not have the stress of the date meter and have restaurants where they can have a fancy evening or go to a movie and such, and depending on how much progress was made in their relationship, one of the Sims will give a nice gift.

For the Sims 3, keeping the romantic reputation and meters, but have it have different outcomes according to their traits. So, if a Sim does have the cheater reputation (I am not sure if that is what it's called or not) and the other Sim has the faithful trait, he/she would be turned off, but if the other Sim has a trait similar to being accepting of open relationships and being okay with dating other Sims, then there is no affect towards it or maybe even a positive affect since they both desire the same thing and the other Sim wouldn't see it as cheating.

[SpookyOkyBatGirl]

I love the Sims 2 romance, where ONE could have a crush on the other, and the other Sim thinks that they're just good friends.

[birdyfly]

I love the Sims 2 romance, where ONE could have a crush on the other, and the other Sim thinks that they're just good friends.

That is one thing I do miss about Sims 2 sadly. I felt it added depth and gave better story possibilities when it came to the romance aspect of the game. Crushes in general I thought were cute, even if both Sims had a crush on each other but were both shy to confess that they had feelings for one another. :giggler:

[SimsLover50]

I am not sure if this is a silly idea, but what if it was more like a combination of all three of the Sims?

For the Sims 2 romance, it would have that one-sided option where your Sim could have a crush on someone, but the other Sims doesn't even know she/he exists. That way it would still add drama if the Sim thinks he/she is dating someone, but the other Sim thinks they are friends. Obviously, they both can be in love with each other once their meter is up just like in Sims 2.

For the Sims 1 dating, not have the stress of the date meter and have restaurants where they can have a fancy evening or go to a movie and such, and depending on how much progress was made in their relationship, one of the Sims will give a nice gift.

For the Sims 3, keeping the romantic reputation and meters, but have it have different outcomes according to their traits. So, if a Sim does have the cheater reputation (I am not sure if that is what it's called or not) and the other Sim has the faithful trait, he/she would be turned off, but if the other Sim has a trait similar to being accepting of open relationships and being okay with dating other Sims, then there is no affect towards it or maybe even a positive affect since they both desire the same thing and the other Sim wouldn't see it as cheating.

These are great ideas. =-)

I like different interractions according to the traits and the possible outcomes.

[Claire the Bear]

I understand the idea behind it. Sims seem to know everyones business anyway so If your going to go round woohooing half the town then it makes sense that you'll develop a reputation.
However, I don't micromanage my sims to the point where I know exactly who I want to pair them off with, I prefer to let them chose spouses for themselves. But we all know sims are stupid and have really bad taste so they often end up with several romantic interests as teens/YA's before they finally find the right person.
Example? My current sims first love was an inappropriate painter. He'd woohoo with her then insult her straight afterwards. So she moved on to a lovely young doctor (or so she thought) only for him to turn into an elder only 2 days later! Then she hooks up with the town womaniser until she catches him with another woman. So as a result, she has a 'naughty' reputation which is a bit weird in my opinion. I'd class her more as unlucky then anything else. :lol:. But I'm enjoying playing her because I hate for my sims lifes to be perfect, that's boring to me. It's much more fun watching her look for love, especaily now she can go dating (and produce a never ending supply of colourful flowers out of her bum apparently :p ).
If she ends up with a reputation because of that then so be it.

So romantic reps is a little bit too judgemental in my opinion. It reminds me of the horrible 'shamed for having a baby out of wedlock' moodlet that came with Late Night. I see what EA was trying to do, but it feels a little too judgemental and moralistic for a bunch of pixels....

[acid_fairy]

I haven't really played around enough to try out this new system, but it is a bit odd that polyamory isn't allowed yet gay marriage has been in since TS1.

[SimsLover50]

No jealousy is borked up in this episode so you can't even go that route. Haven't tried stone hearted, since I never liked the concept of that award.. For some reason the award simply doesn't work. Also the game takes over at points with non-cancelable actions. "accuse of Cheating" will pop up at some point whether you have no jealousy or not, and give a horrible moodlet, then, if you don't repair the relationshp the game will break the sim up.

[SimsLover50]

There is another mod out there, but I didn't link it since it is in the process of being updated.
Extended game core which allows switching otherwise hard coded behavior (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=381046): This has a "pick and choose" option on what you want or do not want to install in your game. It seems that AD85 is working on updating it as well.

Thanks for the rec on this mod. I'm going to check it out. Hopefully it will be ready soon! I'd love more of an alacarte style mod. I don't like the teen preg mods and they seem to be included with most of the good ones.

[wickedblue]

Teen pregnancy is off by default in Twallan's Story Progression and Awesomemod.

Every single item is adjustable with a simple point and click anyway.

[SimsLover50]

Yeah, I just prefer mods that don't have those features at all. Some of the teen/and teen mature content I don't want on my computer even disabled, which is why sadly, I have to give lots of Twallans things a pass. he is a genius though I agree. I don't mind adult content, but stuff involving minors bugs me.

[birdyfly]

SimsLover50, I understand what you mean.
I will keep an eye out on the mod that I linked to you, and I will see if there are other mods out there so you have a choice on what you would like to add to your game. :)
Since you don't use Twallan's mods, here are some mods that may help your game a little:

Paparazzi Level Tuning (http://www.modthesims.info/d/425861)
Autonomous Vampires (http://www.modthesims.info/d/425856)
sHoNi's Vampire Overhaul (http://www.modthesims.info/d/425824)
XML Story Progression: No Vampires, 3 flavours (No Celeb also) (http://www.modthesims.info/d/424796)

The Story Progression I believe helps with the overrun of vampires and celebrities.

[SimsLover50]

Wow! These are awesome recs! Very helpful. I love the idea of no celeb. I will try them tonight when I get home! =-)

[sharkloverplayer]

The problem now is sims are cheating automoulsy and divorces happen automously. I don't want all my sims doing this. Most of mine are faithful. I think EA needs to tone it down a little.

[SimsLover50]

Plus the 'enforced monogamy' sort of bugs me. Especially for love interest and boyfriend/girlfriend. I can see for fiancee and hubbie/wife but there needs to be a few non-monogamous romantic states in game. Not everyone is quite ready to settle down to just one partner.

I don't like the autonymous actions either. Especially accuse of cheating, divorce and breakup. Those should be wishes the sims roles but should be player directed.

[KittyCarey]

One of my games has a whole group of polygamous sims - I think I'm going to have to get the 'above reproach' reward and maybe see if I can mod it so that with that the reputation never goes down...

[SimsLover50]

I've tried above reproach.I gave it to my one sim with the cheater rep. He still broke up with his boyfriend (both have no jealousy), when his girlfriend had triplets. I probably should try doing clean slate first and then add above reproach, but IDK. The sim spontaneously broke up. Suddenly the boyfriend got the betrayed moodlet, and then they went to the park, and I hoped to patch things up, but the game took over the sims and broke both guys up. The innocent boyfriend got a 'rejected' moodlet' and the cheater simply left. I hate how the game taks over and doens't let you decide how to handle your own relationships.

[fairycake89]

Well, I think all's fair in love and war until you actually make a committment, such as 'go steady' - I feel that until then, it should be open season.

[sashimidragon]

I hate how the game taks over and doens't let you decide how to handle your own relationships.

Agree with you there, big time. The game also takes over when disciplining your kids. It's so annoying! Like, if one of my kids is late to school, mom or dad automatically yells at them and puts them in a time out for "skipping school". I have tried to catch them before they start, but you can't cancel the action! It's so stupid. At least I can cancel the time out once the sim is in it, and then send them off to school. Then I just use testingcheats to delete the negative moodlets....but I shouldn't have to do all that. I should be able to control the disciplining of my own sim kids! /frustrated

[SimsLover50]

Wow. Didn't know that about the kids. Thats a bit much.

I can't recall so many times where EA has the game take over and 'forced' actions that a player didn't want. And I can't think of any that didn't involve NPC's off hand. They seemed to have done this a lot this expansion... Mostly for punitive things. Annoying.

Previous times the game took over?

Repo man Repossesion

Times this ep:
Accuse of cheating
Breakup relationship/Marriage/Dating
Punishing kids

[Celebriton]

My sims got naughty and manipulator reputation, but it didn't happen very long, since suddenly everyone know he is cheating and get cheater reputation.

No jealousy reward from WA also doesn't work either.

[simsamu]

That stupid old fart Simis Bachelor put the moves on my female sim autonomously and she had her first kiss with him whilst I was off taking care of an other sim, then the first sim met someone else and fell in love with them and got the cheater reputation, I was not a happy bunny, now she cant get her lover to move in the option simply isn't there. Incidentally does anyone know if having the cheater rep stops the moving in option or have I developed a glitch of somekind

[SimsLover50]

simsamu: I know the cheater rep makes things more difficult in the romance area. Not sure if the moving in option is a glitch but it wouldn't surprise me. but wow. That's terrible. You might try buying her the clean slate award and see if that helps the relationship

Celebriton: yeah, No jealousy is broken now. I find it annoying especially when implementing a restrictive new romance system that they didn't test it. No Jealousy has worked for me (with the exception of the annoying celebrity messages about cheating), up until last ep. It is a shame that the one award that could help a lot of these odd relationship issues doesn't work.

[sharkloverplayer]

I think I might know why a lot of sims are cheating when you play other households. Sim friends are ramdomly giving flowers now and that can cause the recipeint to fall in love with them and flirt. Someone around town sees them,it gets back to their spouse and they get divorced.

[Redhead Creations]

"We were on a BREAK!"

/Random Quote

[sharkloverplayer]

Quote from Redhead
"We were on a BREAK!"

/Random Quote

What does this has to do with the topic? If nothing please keep it on the topic.

[heartbreak]

Quote from Redhead
"We were on a BREAK!"

/Random Quote

What does this has to do with the topic? If nothing please keep it on the topic.

It's an infamous quote from Friends and has to do with romantic reputation haha

Guess it only makes sense if you've seen it haha :p

[clockworkapple]

Bah it's really annoying.

IS there an update on awesomemod yet? Hopefully the god that is Pescado will make this feature tolerable.

[SimsLover50]

IDK, I don't do awesome mod. I hope others will mod it though.

[USNCaseySmith]

Maybe its high time as a community we send EA a petition stating enough is enough, I mean a few glitches I can understand but this many?? This is unexcusable, they're failing to do the simple and thourough testing to put out a completed product. The only thing they could do now is a patch that fixes all of this. Its quite annoying and sad in my opinion.

[SpookyOkyBatGirl]

Maybe its high time as a community we send EA a petition stating enough is enough, I mean a few glitches I can understand but this many?? This is unexcusable, they're failing to do the simple and thourough testing to put out a completed product. The only thing they could do now is a patch that fixes all of this. Its quite annoying and sad in my opinion.

I don't mind the occasional glitch or really dumb programming such as the stupid IF walk, but I don't feel like I'm in control of my game anymore. Right now,the only thing I really do is make sure they don't die. I can't control my kids getting grounded or getting in trouble without PURPOSELY making them do bad things, I can't make my Sim have two romances without them being considered a SimWhore, I can't control things like the automous proposal from a random Simmy (why can't a pop-up come says "Oh dear! ____ finally popped the question to your Sim! Do they accept?) without breaking them up (seeing as how my Simboyfriend proposed to my SimGirl, who accepted when I was about to dump him so she could woo her Romantic Interest), I can't even leave my house without my children being neglected because EA won't make a babysitter that ACTUALLY WATCHES MY KID so that when my Sim comes home tired from work they have to muggle through to care for the kid because the babysitter did nothing but stand there, I'm always getting famous for be-friending some random famous sim and so much more! I love the Sims, but I'm just no longer in control of what they do! Not just their actions, but just the entire game feels out of my control.

[tangie0906]

I completely agree. I just now ran into this "feature" when playing tonight.

Two sims I created and put in the world. He befriends the female sim, begins flirting and confesses attraction, first kiss, then eventually asks her to go steady and and is allowed to spend the night. Right after woohooing the doorbell rings. it's the married neighbor. My male sim gets an "accuse of cheating" action in his queue and I CANNOT CANCEL IT.

Neighbor sits on sofa and begins watching TV. He did not flirt with the female at all (at least not on this occasion). My male sim does the happy walk (whatever you call that walk they do when they woohoo the first time) all the way to the kitchen, where the female sim is, and accuses her of cheating. Relationship tanks. -50 moodlet. All that effort FOR NOTHING.

Unless modders can fix this, my simming days just might be over. I am really mad right now. What is the point of playing a GOD game if I am not able to control anything!! :(

[SimsLover50]

Yeah, it has ruined my game twice. I don't think it is fun, and it seems to be enforcing some weird taliban-esque level relationship monitoring. "ack! you STARED At my girlfriend! She is a cheater" or "ACK, you had a dead SPOUSE you are a whore! Clearly I MUST initiate automatd accuse of cheating action."

[KirsiF]

I like the idea of romantic rep but I really loathe how it's been implemented. I live in a modern society where people are, for example, allowed to date multiple persons before committing to one. (And if they don't want to commit, they can go on having only casual relationships. You don't have to be celibate if you're single...) I don't know where the people who created this "reputation" get their moral codes but not from the same place as I do, clearly. :wtf:

I don't think cheating is a moral thing, naturally, but I don't think one can talk about cheating before a committed relationship even exists! If my sims want to look around and have a little fun, I want it to be possible without getting a tarnished rep. I like to build old-fashioned houses but I definitely don't want my simmies to live in a society with oppressing and narrow-minded rules, like some suburban nuclear family nightmare from the 50's. :faceslap:

[SimsLover50]

I think EA should allow players to decide what the relationships are and whether they are naughty or commited. If I create a family of aliens, I don't think their worldview or marital views should be the same as your average sim.

I'm not advocating cheating in rl, but in a fantasy setting, I want to be able to have as much variety as possible and to enjoy doing it without the game censuring me. Less variety means less ability to make interesting stories that suit a variety of characters. Forcing everyone into world of serial monogamy and false accusations of cheating and autonymous breakups means less control for players and less variety in the stories that are told.

[KirsiF]

It's like the game wants every sim to marry the first person they make out with. That's almost dangerous and immoral in itself, IMHO. If that were the case in real life, I for example would have ended up with some cute Swedish juvenile delinquent I met on a cruise ship when I was fourteeen... :blink:

[babele44]

Just got a quick question: Romantic Reputation is included in the patch, so will I have to suffer this even if I don't buy generations as soon as I patch?

[Shimrod101]

The same thing is happening in my game with the 1.22 without having Generations. The worst part about it really is that my sim's queue is stomped, everything stopped, my sim standing waiting so someone can arrive, sometimes from some distance, to call him a cheater and slap him silly. All of my save games are more or less unplayable because my sim is interrupted constantly by this nonsense, just like the interrupting and stomping of the queue when some townie wants an autograph, or takes the cell phone photo.

[babele44]

Ah, ok, thanks. Good to know. So I guess that as soon as my Awesome Mod expires in July my Simming days will come to a temporary end. Because *this* I hate aready before experiencing it myself. Queue stomping and the inability to cancel actions are those two things that I've always loathed with a passion from day one. And this seems to be worse because it changes your whole game on a wide scale. I wonder what the point of this is supposed to be, is it really just backwards morality or some screwed up idea for implementing that casual gamers apparently appreciate if they haven't got to make too many decisions on their own?
(On a side note: There's already something similar in LN when vampires offer to turn another Sim. There's no way to say no to that, the turning will take place no matter what. I once had clicked it accidentally and had to reload. At first I thought that this wasn't too serious because I assumed that it was non-autonomous. But I did have it then that a vampire I didn't control at that time turned another townie in front of my eyes and there was no way for me to interfere. And you can't reverse this unlike the mummy curse where removing the moodlet will remove the curse. Removing the vampire bite moodlet will only cause an instant transformation.)

[askemagus]

I have managed to make this stop in my game, but I don't know how. I use almost all of Twallan's mods in my game, and must have configured them correctly by accident.

I have an evil sim from my massive legacy family that I'm playing right now, and yesterday he woohooed with five different sims back to back right in front of his fiancee, and she didn't react at all. In fact, after everyone left their house, she started to autonomously flirt with him.

[SimsLover50]

Its a bit puritanical. I'm not saying being faithful isn't great. But being faithful is portryaed as the great holy grail, when a person can be faithful in a relationship and also be unhappy for a number of reasons.

Plus since this is fiction and simply a story, if I want to make a bunch of hippies living in a home with no jealousy enabled and they are all happy together, then why should anyone in simsylvania care or gossip beyond the fact that they are involved in an open relationship? It isn't cheating if its consensual or mutual and no one is married.

Not everyone wants or needs to marry their significiant other either. There is a huge push to get married in the sims, when there are plenty of people in RL who don't aspire to marry, and are simply content to be bf/gf.

[tangie0906]

Personally, I think you are all being way too philosophical about the why's and wherefores. :P I think the simple truth is that it takes a lot more time, effort, and money to program and animate something more subtle and whimsical than it does to do it in a hamfisted, over-the-top, simplistic way that EA usually does it, at least where Sims 3 is concerned. Here's why I say that:

In my scenerio, lets say the same thing happens and the neighbor autonomously comes over to watch TV at 1:30AM. OK, that in itself is stupid but I can go for it if instead of getting ballistic and tanking their whole relationship, he is upset and they argue a bit and she reassures him and they kiss and make-up, them she asks neighbor to leave. Even better if these reactions were controlled by their traits.

Yeah, a lot more complex but a surprising twist that would have been interesting but not game-breaking like the way it is coded, with the game taking away my control.

On the EA forum a simmer reported that she has a married couple that she also can't control. Apparently the husband flirted with someone while the family was at the park, she didn't really even see it, but the wife got the 'accuse of cheating' action which could not be deleted and their relationship tanked and they both got the -50 moodlet. She said it took a week to get their friendship level back up and for the moodlet to go away, and she's been trying to repair their relationship the whole time but the husband's efforts are rejected. Now she says there is an 'ask for divorce' action in her wife's queue and that cannot be deleted, either. Someone suggested buying the 'clean slate' reward.

So that's how to solve this big puzzle if the game decides to tank your relationship? Woo, that's a big challenge. NOT. And what if I don't have enough points to get the reward? The kids are now in a broken home? How often is the game going decide this will happen, how many couples are doomed? Lame, EA, really lame.

This is even more disappointing to me because Generations was the first EP that really spoke to playing families, which is what I like to do. I play sandbox style and I thought this EP would add so much more than what we had before; and actually I really liked it until this happened. Now I just feel like EA had taken my control away and this is not my idea of fun!!

[SimsLover50]

very good post tangie. I agree. I like the idea of traits controlling the behavior of a sim and their reactions.

For me, though, the romantic rep, takes away from how I want things to be in my town and how I see my sims relationships and what values my sims have.

I spent so much time trying to repair my simmies relationship after the birth of a child, that I had no fun with the child. And it didn't work anyway- the game took control and broke 'em up. I got them back together, and it happened again. No fun! I don't want to spend my time trying to fix my sims relationship. Especially since doing so is neither fun, nor something I feel my sims would be doing. I gave them all no jealousy for a reason. Because I simply don't want to mess around with breakups and relationship jealousy.

[DigiBlue]

I really find it annoying. My sim married Amy Bull, who happened to have a love interest. She had NEVER SPOKEN TO THE PREMADE LOVER IN MY GAME. But after I installed Generations she is now "Naughty" (I think) because she has "Two relationships"... Er, no. She is married to one, with 3 kids, and the other she has never even spoken too. How he is even still her friend after IN GAME YEARS (Seriously, her kids are nearly teens) I don't even know. :\

[BlindingEchoes]

I'm not enjoying this because i think it mucks up the romantic interactions, i have a sim who's life time wish is to be a heart breaker and she's only gone through two men, attempted to woo a woman, went so far as to move her in but they never got any romantic interaction options besides 'skinny dip' & 'watch the stars'. They were romantic interests, had the bar as high as it could possibly go but there was NEVER any other options for them. They couldn't kiss, woohoo, hell, couldn't even hug. My Sim has a reputation as an 'undecided flirt' or some such bunk and it no only makes her hated around town, apparently it c*ckblocks too *grumbles*

[AngelicScot]

I haven't had any sims that really have had a Reputation yet. Except for Molly Coddle Millegan. Apparently she was engaged to another sim when she got engaged, then married to Craig Millegan (my sim). So she has a cheater Reputation.

[Laisanae]

Here it is: I sent my sim, Gabrielle around the town to find her a boyfriend. She met Christopher Steel, woohoo-d soon after that, and this action resulted with a baby. BUT just after my sim got home, with a baby in her belly I got a notification that Tori and Christopher are now a couple. O rly?
During the time Gabrielle tried to wreck their relationship I never got the chance to call the guy a damn cheater. Not even when Gab confessed her feelings to his new gf. Still, soon after my sim moved in with Stiles McGraw, and started a relationship with him, Gab was in the park with her son and that asshole Christopher goes to her to call her a cheater. Excuse me?
And the top of everything: my girl got the option to Confess the cheating.
Confess what? She got pregnant, the guy didn't give a flying gnome about it all and now she has the Cheater reputation.... duh.

[harlequinzombie]

What I'm curious about is, is there a way to see another sims reputation without having to merge them into your household?

I had a sim who really liked this one girl and after many dates they eventually became boyfriend and girlfriend. I ended up moving the girl into my active family and it was THEN that, when looking through her scrapbook, I found out that she had another boyfriend who also happened to be my sims brother! (I didn't notice this because the parents divorced when both brothers were early in their teen stages and they each lived with a different parent). And yet, the girlfriend STILL had the "Eternally Faithful" reputation/moodlet. :blink: I made her break up with the brother, but it still bothered me because before she and my sim had gotten together I asked if she was in a relationship and she said no, so this must've happened after they became official. Or she lied. These sims are sneaky.

[Nirar22]

sorry--wrong spot

[fairycake89]

I just wish that the cheaters could simply use a bare-faced lie and denial option! "Me? Cheating? What! I don't know that man, or why he has his tongue down my throat!"

[SimsLover50]

I just wish that the cheaters could simply use a bare-faced lie and denial option! "Me? Cheating? What! I don't know that man, or why he has his tongue down my throat!"

Hee heee. That is funny!

:Sighs: I just wish sims with no jealousy were like mellow about the whole cheating thing. .. That would solve my objections to this whole romantic panel... Nightmare. :p

[USNCaseySmith]

Is there any chance that EA will put out another patch to fix some of the glaring bugs they have here?? Or is it going to be soley up to our modders?

[SimsLover50]

I hope its not up to the modders, since I prefer to keep my game as modfree as possible- but the romantic reputation and patch is very frustrating to my play style. I don't know what EA was thinking... Really.

[USNCaseySmith]

I hope its not up to the modders, since I prefer to keep my game as modfree as possible- but the romantic reputation and patch is very frustrating to my play style. I don't know what EA was thinking... Really.

well let me ask this, has EA put out more than one patch before for a EP?? Or just one and one only?? If so then thats horrible business practice and I hope our modders do well. Heck if they keep doing this our modders should all get together and develop a game competetive to Sims and drive EA into the ground, that would teach them a thing or two about making good product

[severedsolo]

well let me ask this, has EA put out more than one patch before for a EP?? Or just one and one only?? If so then thats horrible business practice and I hope our modders do well. Heck if they keep doing this our modders should all get together and develop a game competetive to Sims and drive EA into the ground, that would teach them a thing or two about making good product

Since Ambitions, most EP's get one "bugfix" patch then they seem to leave it. It's rather frustrating really as there are still Ambitions bugs that haven't been fixed for fraks sake. Running Disease is the one that comes most prominently to mind, although there are others.

I'm sure we all remember the OLS patch which fixed 2 issues, one of which wasn't even a game issue, and the other which only occurred under very specific (and quite difficult to replicate) circumstances.

I wonder actually whether that is the reason that EA have decided not to publish a full bugfix list for the latest patch.

[rcranger9]

I hate this reputation. I like to have my sim flirt around to find the right person to marry. But I don't see the need to make my sim's former lovers hate them just so that my sim doesn't get a reputation. Its annoying how everyone instantly knows, even though neither of the sims in the act have time to tell others.

[CleoSombra]

I hate this reputation. I like to have my sim flirt around to find the right person to marry. But I don't see the need to make my sim's former lovers hate them just so that my sim doesn't get a reputation. Its annoying how everyone instantly knows, even though neither of the sims in the act have time to tell others.

I found something out that may help.

I started Sunset Valley and decided to go after Morgana Wolff (cause she's so pretteh and she's family oriented, perfect for Generations. Also, she is my sim's boss). I had my sim woo her (romantic interest) and got her to break up with Thorton. So a few sim days passed and I took them on a date to the bistro. My sim immediately charged at her to slap her. I couldn't cancel the action out. Turns out in the time between the break up and the date, she'd entered a relationship with Jamie Joliana (or whatever her name is). So that . . . kind of wrecked their relationship.

I found under the "Mean" options an option for "Just be friends" or something. This broke off their romantic interest status and damaged their relationship a bit - they were back to being acquaintances. I only tried it once, so I don't know if the option is always there or not, but that might be something to do to prevent your reputation from getting damaged.

[KaiRuh]

If you have former romantic interests that you have no intentions of continuing to be romantic with, use Mean > Ask to be Just Friends with them. The game counts all of your romantic interests as current relationships, which makes sense. Everything else is current, so why wouldn't romantic interests be as well? The reputation system shouldn't mess with your Sim if you do this. If you have other romantic interests that you do want to keep up with, well, your Sim deserves the reputation they get, imo. The interaction doesn't ruin your Sim's relationship either - when I used it, my Sim was still Good Friends with her former lover immediately after asking.

edit: aha, ninja'd. :P

edit again: I think that your relationship returns to whatever it was before you became romantic interests. I haven't tested it, so I'm not totally sure, but my Sim didn't become romantic interests with her former lover until after they were already Good Friends, so that's where they returned to after becoming just friends again. If your Sim started out wooing an acquaintance rather than a friend, there isn't any sort of relationship to go back to, just acquaintances. Again, haven't tested it, but it would make sense and explain why me and the poster above me had different results in that aspect.

[CleoSombra]

If you have former romantic interests that you have no intentions of continuing to be romantic with, use Mean > Ask to be Just Friends with them. The game counts all of your romantic interests as current relationships, which makes sense. Everything else is current, so why wouldn't romantic interests be as well? The reputation system shouldn't mess with your Sim if you do this. If you have other romantic interests that you do want to keep up with, well, your Sim deserves the reputation they get, imo. The interaction doesn't ruin your Sim's relationship either - when I used it, my Sim was still Good Friends with her former lover immediately after asking.

edit: aha, ninja'd. :P

edit again: I think that your relationship returns to whatever it was before you became romantic interests. I haven't tested it, so I'm not totally sure, but my Sim didn't become romantic interests with her former lover until after they were already Good Friends, so that's where they returned to after becoming just friends again. If your Sim started out wooing an acquaintance rather than a friend, there isn't any sort of relationship to go back to, just acquaintances. Again, haven't tested it, but it would make sense and explain why me and the poster above me had different results in that aspect.

No, it's most likely that it reverts to whatever the status is if it's not a romantic interest.

What happened in my scenario is that my sim considered Morgana to be cheating on her - so she went over and slapped her. This lowered their relationship considerably, but they were still listed as romantic interests. If the line a relationship starts at is '0,' they were probably at a 20-25 after the slapping occurred, which would be in acquaintance territory.

As an aside, they've since gotten back together. =D

[KaiRuh]

Oh, yeah, that makes much more sense. :lol:

[SimsLover50]

For those who are interested, in another forum I Read that the 'accuse of cheating' moodlet (not cancelable), is not caused by sim jealousy, but by the reputation of the sim in question. I am not sure if this is true, but that is pretty counter-intuitive. The other forum suggested using the award: Inappropriate, but in a good way, no jealousy in combination, and, clean slate and above reproach. I am curious whether sims with this combo of awards get the autonomous breakup features that other sims get. I'm going to have to test it.

[severedsolo]

I've just modded this into the Romantic Reputation Recombobulator: http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=446164

Reading the XML, I would say that the autonomous breakup will probably happen either way. I'll try and concisely explain how it works at default (I say concisely... it's quite complicated).

There are 3 levels of "cheating". The levels are achieved through a points based system. I won't explain that bit, as it wouldn't make sense out of context anyway.

Any Sims within a radius of 10 Sim Meters (approximately the distance at which a Sim will elect to walk rather than run) that observe "cheating" will raise your score.

There are 3 levels of "betrayal" The level is assigned on a points based basis, (actions or being observed accrue points, until the threshold is met) The number of Sims who can observe betrayals before Level 2 is reached are: 9 Sims who don't know either of you. OR 4 Sims who have some kind of relationship with your Sims (even aquaintances) OR 2 Household members (including their household members) OR 1 Fiance/Spouse.

Obviously it is quite likely that a combination of these will observe, so that's why it triggers quickly. (Surely Friends would keep it on the hush hush though?)

Inviting your "partner" over 5 times, or visiting them 5 times is also enough to reach Level 2.

Phoning them, or them phoning you, 9 times will also trigger Level 2.

After 24 hours of no contact with your "partner", the visibility starts to decay, assuming that you are at the minimum required for Level 2, it takes 10 Sim hours for your visibility to completely disappear. (400 hours if you are at maximum visibility, although it is unlikely you will reach this point without being accused)

If your relationship with your partner is at 90 or above, then you have a 10% less chance of being accused, regardless of level.

The following traits in your partner will reduce the chance of accusing you by 10% - Inappropriate,Flirty,Coward,HopelessRomantic,Carefree,Shy

Conversely, these traits increase the chance by 10% - FamilyOriented,Good, Childish,CommitmentIssues,HotHeaded,Neurotic

At Level 1, your partner has a base 10% chance of accusing you. At Level 2, 15% and at Level 3 40%

Once caught, Giving gifts or apologising reduces the time that the betrayed party has the Betrayed debuff by 1 Sim hour, and 12 Sim hours respectively.

The betrayed parties friends have a 300% multiplier on whether to "tell about betrayal" as I don't have any base figures for that one I can't tell you about in game effects...

If your Sim is "Eternally Faithful" then the chance of being accused reduces to 15% regardless of level.

Once accused, your relationship with the accusee tanks by 90LTR points. (NOT 90%)

When the betrayed buff times out, if you haven't managed to repair the relationship by at least 25 points, then the relationship is ended.

See? Told you it was complicated :rofl:

[SimsLover50]

Yes. Totally complicated, but interesting nontheless. I will download your mod. Does No jealousy factor into it at all?

[severedsolo]

Yes. Totally complicated, but interesting nontheless. I will download your mod. Does No jealousy factor into it at all?

Not that I can see, the only Lifetime Reward that is mentioned is Clean Slate, which removes all romantic partnerships, regardless of how serious they are (if I am reading it right)

Edit: Sorry, I got that wrong, above reproach is also mentioned, which reduces the chance of being accused by 20%

[SimsLover50]

Wow. Thanks for the interpretation. =-)

I have to question EA's logic in this. No Jealousy means no jealousy and that should counter the 'accuse of cheating.' As a sim with no jealousy would not care about cheating.

Also, I do not like the game considering a love interest a monogamous romance... When a person can have many love interests throughuot his or her existance and shouldn't have to 'break up' with them, since she/he isn't going steady.

I guess I can see why they didn't want to have to explain romantic rep in a manual. It is a complex concept.

I guess I just prefer to not think about my sims reputation... Just as I don't want to fret about who is shagging who in real life. I hope the romantic rep is tonned down or can be switched off. I know there are those who like the feature. But I find it irksome.

[fairycake89]

I can just see it now, when we get Pets they will probably be able to grass on a cheater too!

[severedsolo]

I guess I just prefer to not think about my sims reputation... Just as I don't want to fret about who is shagging who in real life. I hope the rep is modded back to inactive where it belongs.

The KillAll flavour of my mod will do that. It basically reduces the "visibility range" to 0 including invitations to visit and phone calls, 0's the tank effect, and gives all Sims a 0 chance of accusing. In other words, you shouldn't be spotted anyway, but if you are they won't accuse, and if somehow they do, it won't effect your relatinship.

Eternally Faithful still has all it's good effects though.

[USNCaseySmith]

I've just modded this into the Romantic Reputation Recombobulator: http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=446164

Reading the XML, I would say that the autonomous breakup will probably happen either way. I'll try and concisely explain how it works at default (I say concisely... it's quite complicated).

There are 3 levels of "cheating". The levels are achieved through a points based system. I won't explain that bit, as it wouldn't make sense out of context anyway.

Any Sims within a radius of 10 Sim Meters (approximately the distance at which a Sim will elect to walk rather than run) that observe "cheating" will raise your score.

There are 3 levels of "betrayal" The level is assigned on a points based basis, (actions or being observed accrue points, until the threshold is met) The number of Sims who can observe betrayals before Level 2 is reached are: 9 Sims who don't know either of you. OR 4 Sims who have some kind of relationship with your Sims (even aquaintances) OR 2 Household members (including their household members) OR 1 Fiance/Spouse.

Obviously it is quite likely that a combination of these will observe, so that's why it triggers quickly. (Surely Friends would keep it on the hush hush though?)

Inviting your "partner" over 5 times, or visiting them 5 times is also enough to reach Level 2.

Phoning them, or them phoning you, 9 times will also trigger Level 2.

After 24 hours of no contact with your "partner", the visibility starts to decay, assuming that you are at the minimum required for Level 2, it takes 10 Sim hours for your visibility to completely disappear. (400 hours if you are at maximum visibility, although it is unlikely you will reach this point without being accused)

If your relationship with your partner is at 90 or above, then you have a 10% less chance of being accused, regardless of level.

The following traits in your partner will reduce the chance of accusing you by 10% - Inappropriate,Flirty,Coward,HopelessRomantic,Carefree,Shy

Conversely, these traits increase the chance by 10% - FamilyOriented,Good, Childish,CommitmentIssues,HotHeaded,Neurotic

At Level 1, your partner has a base 10% chance of accusing you. At Level 2, 15% and at Level 3 40%

Once caught, Giving gifts or apologising reduces the time that the betrayed party has the Betrayed debuff by 1 Sim hour, and 12 Sim hours respectively.

The betrayed parties friends have a 300% multiplier on whether to "tell about betrayal" as I don't have any base figures for that one I can't tell you about in game effects...

If your Sim is "Eternally Faithful" then the chance of being accused reduces to 15% regardless of level.

Once accused, your relationship with the accusee tanks by 90LTR points. (NOT 90%)

When the betrayed buff times out, if you haven't managed to repair the relationship by at least 25 points, then the relationship is ended.

See? Told you it was complicated :rofl:

Let me ask this, does this fix A) The everyone instantly knowing your having two relationships?? B) the jealously bork where you can be in a different room kissing and the spouse or significant other will run across the house to you and smack you?
And C) The non cancellable actions? Please tell me it at least fixes the first two?? I didnt understand what you wrote at all haha :anime:

[severedsolo]

Let me ask this, does this fix A) The everyone instantly knowing your having two relationships?? B) the jealously bork where you can be in a different room kissing and the spouse or significant other will run across the house to you and smack you?
And C) The non cancellable actions? Please tell me it at least fixes the first two?? I didnt understand what you wrote at all haha :anime:

A) If you use the KillAll version then yes. Your Sims actions are basically invisible, and should never trigger the "Cheater" reputation track.
b) No, that requires a Core Mod. However the No Jealousy LTR should sort that bit anyway. The Romantic Reputation is completely unrelated to the jealousy code.
C) Sort of. Again, you can't get caught cheating by reputation, so the action should never occur. It won't actually stop it if something breaks through the Mod (and it shouldn't.. there are enough checks and balances in there that it's basically impossible) but the issue should never occur.

What I typed was the EA default settings, not the one's I modded.

[justin1010]

I'm kind of indifferent to the romantic repuation thing. It's sort of neat as it adds a little bit of realism to the game, but can totally ruin your sims' relationships because of it, even for little things.

[USNCaseySmith]

A) If you use the KillAll version then yes. Your Sims actions are basically invisible, and should never trigger the "Cheater" reputation track.
b) No, that requires a Core Mod. However the No Jealousy LTR should sort that bit anyway. The Romantic Reputation is completely unrelated to the jealousy code.
C) Sort of. Again, you can't get caught cheating by reputation, so the action should never occur. It won't actually stop it if something breaks through the Mod (and it shouldn't.. there are enough checks and balances in there that it's basically impossible) but the issue should never occur.

What I typed was the EA default settings, not the one's I modded.
Isn't there a mod that allows sims 2 style jealousy though?? As in only actions seen get a reaction from a spouse?? OR is that just awesomemod that does that automatically??

And by my sims actions being Invisible you mean in the reputation list, I can still have a sim kiss someone right in front of his spouse and get them smacked?

[severedsolo]

Isn't there a mod that allows sims 2 style jealousy though?? As in only actions seen get a reaction from a spouse?? OR is that just awesomemod that does that automatically??


Yes there is, EGC. Which is a CORE Mod, same as Awesome. My mod isn't Core.

And by my sims actions being Invisible you mean in the reputation list, I can still have a sim kiss someone right in front of his spouse and get them smacked
Exactly.

[coffeebreak]

omg this game is way too complicated. For casual users. Generations is sitting on my desk, still in it's shiny wrapper. It's probably going back, but maybe not, if the installation of the base game + eps goes well....

This game is only fun in theory -- in practice, it's torture. I hate it already. I resent the frustration all the bugs are going to inspire, and all the time needed to track down solutions to all the bugs only to find out that there are NO solutions. grrrrrrr.

And yanno what? If that's my attitude, I should just pretend I've already played the game and lost my mind, and keep on moving on to something less frustrating. :giggler:

[SimsLover50]

Well, the relationship goodness (sarcasm) comes with the latest patch, so even if you return the game, you won't be spared the havoc it creates, unless you don't patch.

I honestly didn't like generations as well as the rest of the games. I'm an adult player, and don't tend to play with the sprogs that much. But lots of people do like generations so its tough call. =

[bokodasu]

Ugh. I would have liked it, maybe, if it worked. The game decided one of my sims was a cheater - even though he never even TALKED to anyone else after he started dating his wife - and his wife got mad and after a couple of days they showed up as EX-wife/husband. Not even a "your sim is getting divorced" popup or anything. Now they like each other again, but they still have to get re-married. Grr.

Looking into that mod now...

[TheLB]

Wow, I'm hearing all these stories of people's sims getting the cheater rep unfairly, but I can't get my reputation to budge an inch. Even my slutty mcslutterson sim still has a "none" reputation and she has at least 10 booty calls...what gives?

[CleoSombra]

Wow, I'm hearing all these stories of people's sims getting the cheater rep unfairly, but I can't get my reputation to budge an inch. Even my slutty mcslutterson sim still has a "none" reputation and she has at least 10 booty calls...what gives?

Is your sim in a relationship with someone? That's how I've had sims get it - however, my sim, who went out on a date with another sim, was the one that slapped the sim . . . not the actual girlfriend.

[TheLB]

Is your sim in a relationship with someone? That's how I've had sims get it - however, my sim, who went out on a date with another sim, was the one that slapped the sim . . . not the actual girlfriend. She's not exclusive with anyone, no, she just has several "romantic interests".

[severedsolo]

Is your sim in a relationship with someone? That's how I've had sims get it - however, my sim, who went out on a date with another sim, was the one that slapped the sim . . . not the actual girlfriend.

Yes, EA scored a bit of an own goal there. The "other Sim" is more likely to accuse than the spouse/partner because a marriage (and possibly a steady relationship.. not sure on that one yet) is an automatic Level 3 visibility. Suffice to say the RRR fixes this :)

[Willow's Tara]

Here's a funny one: My sim right, Amber Winters had gotten into a relationship when she was a teenager, at her Prom (You know how you don't have a date, so they make your Sim like someone and become their girlfriend/boyfriend). She only saw this guy once after the Prom when I decided to let her date him... Only problem was in that time he became a YA >.> She was still like 10-12 days from growing up.

So she never contacted him because I couldn't be bothered, and since I was dealing with the rest of her household (Eight) including her rebellious sister she never had a relationship since then. She waited a while when she became a YA when I decided to pair her up with a Sim I was going to make for her, however she was still girlfriend to the guy from the Prom.

So she invited him over, however I wanted to kill him off since I didn't want either to do the break up. However I could not move him in (Her grandparents and sister were dead at this point, so she should have been allowed to). I guess he was a NPC or a Townie or even a foreign (Come to think of it, it did look like he was wearing one of those Martial Arts belts). So I used a cheat to add him to the active family then killed him off.

It was a while before I found Amber someone to date, and I made a Sim just for her (By this time she's halfway finished with YA). They started going on dates and everything, by the time they got married I was getting those messages "Amber and Cooper should tone it down before other Sims get hurt", Cooper being the guy who she was going to end up with. I had no idea why though, prior to the Prom guy she never dated anyone before or after. She might have flirted here and there but none ever went pass Friend.

Lucky Cooper never had the option to Accuse of Cheating, considering that her last boyfriend was dead. Either it glitched or EA really thinks Dead boyfriend means she can never date again (And considering she was a celebrity, well not really since it was 1 star but still, she would be accused of having a Child out of Wedlock >.> So EA wants her to die alone and childless).


It is annoying how you can't cancel queue actions though.
My Sim should able to stop his spouse from accusing of Cheating (And considering the word ACCUSING it's part of it, should able to deny it).

And my teens should able to cancel their parents putting them on time outs, scolding or banning them from objects. I don't care what it's like in real life, but if I want my Sim to completely ignore their parent especially since I imagine a Rebellious teen would do so then I should able to. And don't get me started on the cop who brings them home from pranking or being out after Curfew, my Sim should be allowed to ignore him and walk away or run away and hide. I say Sims 3 Cops are the worst cops in Sim history (For example, Sim goes Detonating everything around town and only gets a fine despite Sims get caught in Crossfire, or Grandpa goes stealing a car and nobody cares. Teen stands right OUTSIDE of his house, on the path just over that little line and he gets arrested, scolded and grounded even if the parent is not that far away and could see them from the door. What kind of City are those Sims running?)

In Sims 2 you could pretty much cancel any queues. Even when a Teen was caught by the police or by a parent from walking out you can just cancel the Lecture from parent and most funny part was, your Sim taking the Car for a drive or still being 3am you take the Sim downtown technically sneaking out and causing trouble anyways.

There's just so much you can't control in this game, which is stupid. I guess Sims 3 is a far cry from Sims 2, lucky I can still play that game but I do like Sims 3, despite how aggravating and annoying it is.

Oh how about once a Child or a Teen is on a bus you can't make them get out like if a Sim was going to work, or if they are in school, unlike work you can't make a Sim walk out of school (Being all like Stuff this, I got better things to do). Or Skip Detention when they get it.

[CinderEmma]

What I wish is that it could take affect as YA, I think you should be allowed to be promiscuous/test your options as a teen without being labelled as "naughty"/other bad labels

[TheLB]

Am I the only one that feels a "naughty" reputation is a good thing? Maybe they should have chosen a different, stronger word. Like "Bicycle" or "Flavor of the week" or even "Slut McSluttyslutslut"

[Queen_Of_The_Court]

I agree that it is kinda stupid because your not cheating unless they are your bf/gf/fiance/husband/wife. I think that SpookyOkyBatGirl has a good idea and EA should change it.

[USNCaseySmith]

I agree that it is kinda stupid because your not cheating unless they are your bf/gf/fiance/husband/wife. I think that SpookyOkyBatGirl has a good idea and EA should change it.

Problem is, EA wont change it, because theyre an evil company and dont care wether the best product ever or crap on a stick gets handed to us, as long as they make money. Theyve done this with madden ,Sims, Crysis, Dead Space, and plenty of other games. If we want them to freaking fix the problems they create instead of just writing them off, then we need to do something. A petition, or a whatever it is you call it where everyone holds out on using something to make a point. Im sure if they lost millions of dollars from the next EP they'd get the message, especially if we attatched to a message (We're not buying it until ALL of the previous bugs are fixed, and its a 100% completely playable version) At this point I don't care if that would cause them to stop the series, they are murdering the Sims series and many others because they simpley dont care anymore and its 100% unexcusable.

[SuicidiaParasidia]

Lucky Cooper never had the option to Accuse of Cheating, considering that her last boyfriend was dead. Either it glitched or EA really thinks Dead boyfriend means she can never date again (And considering she was a celebrity, well not really since it was 1 star but still, she would be accused of having a Child out of Wedlock >.> So EA wants her to die alone and childless).

and here we have the truth of EA's master plan.
does that seem sarcastic? its not sarcastic.


It is annoying how you can't cancel queue actions though.
My Sim should able to stop his spouse from accusing of Cheating (And considering the word ACCUSING it's part of it, should able to deny it).

And my teens should able to cancel their parents putting them on time outs, scolding or banning them from objects. I don't care what it's like in real life, but if I want my Sim to completely ignore their parent especially since I imagine a Rebellious teen would do so then I should able to.


and, this. a million times, this.

[SimsLover50]

I think romantic rep is just really half-hearted. Someone clearly didn't think it through when it was implemented. They wanted to put something in to reward 'faithful' sims (I have no problem with that by the way) but at the same time didn't take into the complexities of human relationships. So ea introduced a system that sort of forces every sim relationship to be the same, and penalizing everything else. Its just sort of lazy really. It doesn't take into account the complexities of true relationship.


*I* Want to choose what is cheating in my household thank you. *I* want to choose if my sims are upset or breakup or even care.

Sims has always been a sandbox game, but by adding autonomous breakups cheating accusations, it takes away from players right to choose their own sims lifestyle for themselves.

I am by no means advocating cheating or anything in Real life. But this is a fictional game which allows for playres to create their own stories. I want MORE gameplay not more restrictions. perhaps the sims hubbie isn't freaked out or even cares that the wife is dating the pool boy? Or perhaps she is dating him so they can finally have a kid at last?

[SimsLover50]

Am I the only one that feels a "naughty" reputation is a good thing? Maybe they should have chosen a different, stronger word. Like "Bicycle" or "Flavor of the week" or even "Slut McSluttyslutslut"

Naughty is one of the 'good' romantic reps. Its in the same vein as Don juan or whatever. There is sort of a good romantic rep track and a bad one.

[severedsolo]

Yeah Naughty is the first step of the Don Juan track, which is overall a good track. If I remember rightly, it goes "Naughty, Casanova, Don Juan." Sims on that rep track get relationship boosts with anyone they go romantic with. The only bad rep track is the Cheater track. At least that's the only one that penalises your relationships.

[tiffyandthewall]

i had a sim who was 100% faithful to his husband - they were together since the start of high school - and one day my sim asked one of his friends if she was single and now he has the reputation of being a cheater! he's a family oriented sim! he just wanted to know if one of his old friends had found a good guy yet! how is that cheating? so now his reputation is tarnished, and i'm not spending his points on a 'clean slate' because it's dumb.
other than that, i don't really have much of a problem with it. a lot of my sims have 'cheater' reputations because they date more than one person at a time, but it doesn't seem to affect their relationships that much. a guy autonomously broke up with one of my sims possibly because she was 'caught cheating', but i think it was mostly because she'd forgotten about him and stopped talking to for a few weeks as well...

[High Plains Gamer]

This whole reputation things seems so 1950s. Humans are such perverse creatures. It seems that being a cheater might actually help one's relationships. Women always seem to like the "bad boys," and men like the "sluts" because they figure they will get lucky. There's a reason players get to be players.

[zigersimmer]

Problem is, EA wont change it, because theyre an evil company and dont care wether the best product ever or crap on a stick gets handed to us, as long as they make money. Theyve done this with madden ,Sims, Crysis, Dead Space, and plenty of other games. If we want them to freaking fix the problems they create instead of just writing them off, then we need to do something. A petition, or a whatever it is you call it where everyone holds out on using something to make a point. Im sure if they lost millions of dollars from the next EP they'd get the message, especially if we attatched to a message (We're not buying it until ALL of the previous bugs are fixed, and its a 100% completely playable version) At this point I don't care if that would cause them to stop the series, they are murdering the Sims series and many others because they simpley dont care anymore and its 100% unexcusable.

I can tell you that I will not be buying any more Sims anything until EA fixes all of the existing TS3 bugs and especially fixes this frigged up reputation crap.

[SimsLover50]

Sadly, EA seems to have wanted to rewards 'faithful' sims with a nice moodlet, as people in the sims 3 forums have been wanting a faithful trait. What I don't get is why they didn't make it a trait, so people could have faithful non-cheating sims. I have no problem with even giving a nice boost to non-cheating sims by being faithful. But as a mini-game the rep panel stinks. So the panel awards monogamy. Does it also reward anything else? Kind of dumb.

I think the issue is, EA really couldn't delve into the 'romantic rep' sufficiently without getting called onto the carpet and upping the rating. They chose to softball it by simply awarding monogamy, punishing non-monogamy without getting a bit more creative. Human relationships are complex, and actually dealing with the fact that not every sim be monogamous or even want to be means that they might have to acknowledge that people like playing sims who are less conventional. I don't know why this would be an issue, as they've previously allowed it with no jealousy, master romancer (date multiple sims at once). They've kind of painted themselves a bit in the corner with this, without giving players an opt out (such as no jealousy etc), it simply forces everyone to be monogamous, OR ELSE.

Perhaps sims with inappropriate or flirty could get a boost for having multiple romances or they might act differently than the status quo?


I read too that there was a trait that got pulled... That was considered too racy? Was that this expansion?

[J. M. Pescado]

The "Wanton" trait? That was base-game. I am currently examining the behavior and looking for how to fix it. Already eliminated a few under the hood nuisances.

[SimsLover50]

Yeah, thats the one. I admit I'm sort of curious about that!

[donelton]

It would be better if there was an explanation about the effects of the different reputations. Also is there a updated reputation list? One of my sims (female) got maneater and I haven't seen that any where.

[MissLynn22]

I have to say, I agree with what most of you have said about the reputations. When Liam O'Malley and Sam Bagley met each other and fell in love, they each had a previous love interest from when they were teenagers. They were not in relationships with these other sims, but once they got married they were labeled as "naughty" and "cheating" and their stats said that their longest relationships were the sims that were merely love interests.

Sam confessed to Liam, on their wedding day no less, that she'd been cheating and he slapped her! I tried to make it work and I had them ask their respective love interests to just be friends and everything, and they even had a baby together, but sadly Liam ended up cheating on Sam with her sister Matilda and getting her pregnant as well. So they got divorced and he moved in with the pregnant sister, now their children are cousins and half sisters and (I am pretty sure) Liam's rep is all squeaky clean again because he's back down to one relationship. It's a little messed up, but the drama of it keeps me playing them!

[SimsLover50]

I just think not all sims are going to freak out about a childhood romance so, forcing sims to break up for me- isn't entertaining. In fact this patch has killed a lot of my interest in the sims 3 franchise, because my sims wouldn't act the way they are being made to be portrayed. My sims are very mellow about sexuality, and even wanted to have a child with their rooomate. Sadly, EA wants all sims to have the same puritanical and silly views about romance. Its very annoying.

Thank goodness for the romance recombobulator mod. I can turn this 'feature' off.

[TisiphoneStar]

Personally, I have never had any real problems with the system when it comes to cheating because it's pretty easy to undo. Note: I do have Twallan's SP, but I don't think it's a feature of it.

For example, I made one sim who was the town bicycle who slept with at least 5 sims and got the cheater reputation. Then, once she reached adulthood and gave birth out of wedlock, I decided to change her around and got her to call over all of her previous lovers one at a time. Under the 'mean' menu, there is an option to 'ask to be just friends' and then the romantic relationship is terminated. Immediately afterward, click the other sim and select 'apologize,' then their relationship goes back to friends and they don't talk for a few days because of the awkwardness. By doing this, I got my sim from being a cheater to the faithful reputation in a few days, and still kept all her friendships.

The same sim had a long relationship with a guy who already had a girlfriend and they woo-hoo'ed and even had a child together. The girlfriend never knew until my sim went over to their house and kissed the guy right in front of the girlfriend. It was only then that the male sim got caught cheating.

[harlequinzombie]

This romantic reputation stuff is driving me mad. I wanted my generation 2 heir to marry his girlfriend before his mother passed on, and she was pushing it (she had already filled her elder age bar). So I moved the girlfriend, Blake, into my active family. The same day she moved in, my sim, Leon, had to go to work. I planned on having them marry as soon as he got home. I was playing around with her while I waited, and I noticed that she had a romantic interest in another guy in town. I thought about having her invite him over to tell him she just wanted to stay friends, but right as I was about to, I got a notification saying that he had died. I figured that would take care of it. It didn't. Leon got home and immediately accused Blake of cheating. So it knocked their relationship bar back to almost zero and Blake got branded with the Cheater reputation. THE GUY IS DEAD. I can't fix her reputation by telling the other guy to back off or really do anything to fix it. I have to save up all my sim points to get the Clean Slate reward. And what really sucks is that until then, every time Leon comes home from work he immediately starts heading for Blake to accuse her of cheating. I have to resetsim his butt every time he walks in the door now. >.<

[SimsLover50]

That is ridiculous. Apparently some on the sims 3 forum want romantic relationships to remain after death, but this clearly causes problems with the romantic rep. Clearly this is a half-baked idea that EA Really needs to fix. Even wtih the romantic recombobluator, I immeadiatly cheat and add the above reproach reward to all my sims. I just don't want to fuss with the rep and the nagging, and the silliness. It really bothers me that the game forces my sims to behave in a way that just doesn't suit my story. /end rant. :grin:

[yanqui9]

I hate the reputation system to the point off putting of buying Generations and Pets because of it. Its now impossible to play a "player" sim, especially if he/she becomes a celebrity.

I just hate the system because I feel it is enforcing some quasi-religious "morals" code on my sims, similar to many that exist in several more fundamental religions that I won't mention individually as I don't want to offend with my opinion. I really hate it. If I was a tinfoil hat wearing type, I could easily see this as some sort of social engineering, propaganda, programming crap.

Its even more mind boggling that in Sims 2, they had "Romance Sims" who got wants to woohoo like twice a day and with everyone they saw with no penalties. Makes me think that maybe the new brass-hats in charge of Sims wanted this reputation system because of or based on their own moralistic belief systems, of which I will say no more.

So I am showing my displeasure with my wallet. And you know what they say, EA, for every one person that speaks out, 100 made the same decision. That's two expansions, 80 bucks, times 100. 8000 dollars lost EA because someone over there has some belief systems that should not be being impressed on people by fiat through a computer game. Not a small chunk of change!

[SimsLover50]

I just hate the system because I feel it is enforcing some quasi-religious "morals" code on my sims, similar to many that exist in several more fundamental religions that I won't mention individually as I don't want to offend with my opinion. I really hate it. If I was a tinfoil hat wearing type, I could easily see this as some sort of social engineering, propaganda, programming crap.

Its even more mind boggling that in Sims 2, they had "Romance Sims" who got wants to woohoo like twice a day and with everyone they saw with no penalties. Makes me think that maybe the new brass-hats in charge of Sims wanted this reputation system because of or based on their own moralistic belief systems, of which I will say no more. !

This is a good post, and I quite agree. It seem like EA has been taking a moralistic bent since Late night (OMG A baby out of wedlock!) Who is writing this stuff?

I also wondered if the reason we don't have alien abduction, is the brass-hats do not want to deal with males having babies.

The truth is, this is a game. Not reality. The player should be the ultimate decider of how a sim should respond. Giving every sim a one size fits all reaction just isn't realistic. Just as real people have a variety of relationships and responses, so should sims.

[SarahTheSexbomb]

Aside from the moralistic stuff, I absolutely abhor the romantic rep system! It's sorely inconvenient for me as I'm playing the family man challenge. Not glitchy, but my Sim J.K. Thaler has the reputation of Slime Ball. Slimeball! Can you believe that? He does have many active romantic interests, (right around 10 or so) but every time I go over to see one of my newborns, the girls never fail to "accuse of cheating". I use twallan's Woohooer to help my challenge along. Grrr!
And my Sim is a 5-star celebrity, so it goes without saying that the paparazzi is a disease he cannot avoid. I'm getting so tired of the Pop up telling me he had a child out of wedlock. And the baby mamas hatin' on him. EA's just sitting on their moralistic high horse with this reputation crap.

[lenglel]

I went for the romantic rep recombobulator the first day it came out, and never looked back.
Well, maybe just once. To laugh :)

[SommarBlomma]

I agree with most of those who posted above - the reputation is a crappy thing. i like the reputation thingy in TS2 Apartment Life, because it referred to relationshops in general, not just romantic ones, and wasn't so terrbly moralistic. It was more about having friends or enemies, acting nicely or rudely towards other sims...

And, how can it be - being a Criminal is ok, but having more than 1 love partner (even not at the same time, but one after the other) is wrong? Isn't that silly? We, the sims players, want the sims to be different: some are good, other are evil, some are sociable, other are loners, some are policemen, teachers, doctors, sportsmen, and others are criminal, or are just cleptomanic, so they can steal things from the others. We have it all in the game. So, why can't we have polyamorous relationships or just several romantic relationships lasting one afte the other? Then, their reaction to their significant others' cheating really bothers me. Why are they slapping each other? So, having a romantic interesting at school, and then marrying another sim when you're adult, is wrong, but such extreme jealousy and home violence is right? Slapping your partner is home violence, yes, do you understand it EA puritan moral freaks? it is much worse than woo-hooing with many girls/guys around town. .. end of my vent, I just had to force myself to stop.

[simsamu]

An other let bug bear of mine when it comes to the romance/reputation system is the slapping bit, it's not ok to have a bit on the side but domestic violence is A OK, for this reason alone I dont think the mechanics of the game reflect puritanical biases of the makers and was simply ill thought out fun to make the game more exciting (Fail).

[Zokugai]

Every time the line about having a child out of wedlock pops up I get a little bit closer to going to EA headquarters and smacking everyone I come across.

[varpunen]

Every time the line about having a child out of wedlock pops up I get a little bit closer to going to EA headquarters and smacking everyone I come across.

Hear, hear. Just happened to my sim and I was just so &#%#¤!:faceslap:He didn't even sleep with her. She was just a surrogate mom with a little help of Twallan's MC.

If simmies can go to the hospital to have a plastic surgery, then they should be able to go there to get artificially impregnated. I know there's a hospital mod now but EA should have been more open-minded about it in the first place.

[Zokugai]

I love that mod, lol. Every time I come across a slightly attractive townie ( a rarity I know) I send them there. Even if I don't want to use them. Just in case. I'm an attractive-townie-genetic-material hoarder.