I don't know what SN has in store for vamps, but I do know you'll b able to create all kinds of supernaturals, including old ones like vamps, genies and ghosts, in CAS.
Which will mean players can start with high powered supernatural founders unless you ban it.
I thought the super skilling was a feature, not a bug?

I thought I read that vampires were supposed to be able to skill at 1.5x the normal rate, but it was bugged so that every time you saved and reloaded your game it would multiply that figure and eventually your vampire would gain skills instantly. I had that happen with a child vampire Sim once, where he would sit down to do his homework and BOOM it was done. Within, like, 1 Sim minute. I'm pretty sure that's a bug not a feature.

If anyone is curious, traveling with toddlers is a BAD idea. Since you can't call a taxi cab in any of the three destination worlds, they are stuck at base camp. Always. Which means you've got to either call a babysitter or leave one of your Sims at home with them. Ugh, such a pain.

Hi Chorok and annoellyn! Welcome to the thread! :-)

Thanks for the advice on life spans everybody. I think I'll leave mine where it is for now and decrease it later if it gets to be too long.

I'm all for new family rolls. It does open up a lot of story opportunities. I really like the couple with a friend on the couch.

Buckley, that house is gorgeous. Danielle is one lucky Sim.

Faster skilling is a feature, but the multiplier is/was broken, meaning the vampire skills much faster than intended, and does so whether it's night or day. I remember Martin Archer took one photo, and BAM level 10 photography skill.

There aren't Late Night jeans for male teen sims. :'( Teen boys get a pair of pants from Generations (I think they look bad), a pair from Pets (what, are those for riding or something? ew), and a pair from SHT (they have extraneous zippers and a chain; one of the coloring options also has scary rainbow rabbits on the belt).

I even tried looking for some conversions of expansion pack adult pants to teen, but all I could find were some do it yourself instructions. o.o

Expansion packs just seem to make the assumption that all most people play are adult sims. There's rarely consideration for toddlers, children, teens or elders.

Anyway I found a few CC ones after a while, so we'll see if that makes me feel better. =P




As for the family structure, I'm seeing more excitement than resistance, soooo... here's what the current rolls we have right now look like:

(roll 1-17)
1-5) Single Parent (29.41% chance)
6) Mixed Couple (5.88% chance)
7) Mixed Single Parent (5.88% chance)
8-14) Couple (35.29% chance)
15) Step Children (5.88% chance)
16) Single Parent with 'help'. (5.88% chance)
17) Second Chance (5.88% chance)

Percentages don't exactly add to 100, due to my lack of rounding up. But you get the idea.


And here's my proposed revision:

(roll 1-35)

1-10) Single Parent (28.57% chance)
11-21) Couple (31.42% chance)
22-23) Mixed Couple (5.71% chance)
24) Mixed Single Parent (2.85% chance)
25-26) Step Children (5.71% chance)
27-28) Single Parent with 'help'. (5.71% chance)
29-30) Second Chance (5.71% chance)
31-32) Single parent with double help (5.71% chance)
33-34) Couple + Friend (5.71% chance)
35) Commune (2.85% chance)

To get the percentages to work out similarly to the old one, I had to up the numbers quite a bit. We'd be rolling between 1 and 35 instead of 1 and 17.

The new rolls would be

1. "single parent with double help" (like single parent with help, but with 2 friends/relatives instead of 1; none can be romantically involved with each other until the youngest child born is halfway through its teen stage)(The heir rolls for career using section C, while the helper sims use section D.)
2. Couple + Friend (your heir must obtain a spouse, plus an extra friend or relative to help raise the kid/be a bum on their couch/whatever. Alternately, your heir can remain single, and be the housemate of a couple. Your heir rolls for careers using section C, and the other two use section D.)
3. Commune (actually I wasn't sure what to call this. I was going with "Crowded", but I didn't want to put a negative connotation to the roll. Commune has very specific connotations, though. So help me out?) (In this roll, three other sims live with your heir, not counting the previous generation or your heir's children. There is no restriction on the relationships these three other sims will have with your heir or between themselves. If you happen to roll 5 children, either re-roll for family structure, or re-roll for # of children. Your heir and one of the others will roll for careers using section C, and the remaining two will use section D).

I'm drawing a blank trying to think of other family structures that wouldn't restrict something we already have.

*cough* How does that sound? Criticism is more than welcome. If you have objections or see room for tweaking, speak up!

I keep thinking we should get rid of the "mixed" in single/couple. I rolled non-mixed couple for Pearl but I still plan on having her adopt.

But anyway, I think the new family structures look awesome, Becky! But maybe have "commune" refer to four singles.

"Full house" could be two couples.

You mean you think there should be two rolls that involve 4 people, one for singles and one for two couples?

Interesting thought. The more rolls there are for four people, the more chance there is to roll that. I was thinking that by leaving it as one roll, it would be more fun since it's both rarer, and you'd get to choose exactly who those four people are. You could mix and match. Two could be a couple, two could be singles, even.

I don't know if I'd want 4 singles. 3 would be hard enough, for me. They tend to have hard lives, story wise. xD

The mixed thing.... we were going to get rid of it, when we decided to allow adoption at any time, but people were speaking up for it. They liked being occasionally forced to do something they might normally not do. Sounds weird, eh? =P ...Just like we have a rule for half-siblings, even though you can have half-siblings whenever you want.

Ooooops. I didn't know that the inheritance reward was banned. I've used it in my legacy, but I haven't used any of my money yet. Would it be okay to just familyfund it out? ....or could I please just keep it this time? I'm saving up money for the vampire be gone potion, which is 60,000 simoleons in my game due to a mod I'm using :/ and was hoping to use the inheritance money to chip in.

but I'd be okay with familyfund-ing the money out in order to continue playing my legacy and not starting over, too.

The new addition to marital structure sounds fun!

Chorok: considering you're using a mod to make that aspect of the game so much harder I think in this instance it would be okay to keep the money.

Story > Rules.

All of the rules in the legacy are bendable to your own style of play. i had a few queries when I first started doing legacies about keeping a robot alive for all 10 generations, when they're supposed to be removed with the nextt heirs maturing into young adult. Everyone that was reading my blog at the time told me that I could do whatever I wanted with the robot in truth :P

Chorok, it wasn't officially banned until just now. So if you used it before, that's fine. =)

And yeah... the rules are more like... guidelines. ^^'

They exist to give you a structure so you can challenge yourself. Nobody gets mad if you want to bend one.

Edit: dude, now I just feel kind of bad for adding it to the disallow list.

Right, I forgot about the bugginess of the vamp skill. I never really like playing them, so my experience is really limited.
I think the new rolls new look great.
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that you only need one rule for the 4 Sim deal, and let players choose how that divides up. (hey, it allows polygamy/polyandry that way if anyone wants to go that route.)

And yeah, I remember having to go and put the 'mixed' rolls back in after they were removed because once they were gone, people wanted them back.

Polyandry?

... *Quietly goes and makes changes to every single one of the rolls for Pearls' kids*

And the 4 adults can go the route of Andy Dick. He lived in the same house as his ex wife, their kid, his new girlfriend and their kids and his ex's new partner and their (potential) kids...

I'm surprised Melissa had to point that out. I thought it was kind of obvious, the things you could do... =P

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the single with help and/or second chance with a slightly higher percentage than the new 3 and 4 adult rolls. Those just seem more improbable than the other two. I've always thought that second chance should be closer up the list though, maybe around 10%. I do agree to leave the 4 adult household as one roll and it can be broken up however people want it since there are no relationship restrictions.

Yay! New rules! I also think that there should only be one 4 person rule, and I agree with heaven's proposed percentage change.

Buckley, that house is just perfect ♥

Hmmm. If I took one off of Single Parent + Double Help, and added it to Second Chance, that would leave something like this...

1-10) Single Parent (28.57% chance)
11-21) Couple (31.42% chance)
22-23) Mixed Couple (5.71% chance)
24) Mixed Single Parent (2.85% chance)
25-26) Step Children (5.71% chance)
27-28) Single Parent with 'help'. (5.71% chance)
29-31) Second Chance (8.57% chance)
32-33) Couple + Friend (5.71% chance)
34) Single Parent with Double Help (2.85% chance)
35) Commune/Crowd/All of your Fantasies (2.85% chance)

So closer to a 10% chance of second chance, and overall sliiiightly less chance of the new rolls. (Not that math matters if the dice hate you. Lol. ;D)

I guess the first marriage being a failure is more... in tune with pop culture's perception of how marriages are going "these days".

Also a cheap excuse to kill a sim if you're in a really bad mood. D=

Whew, I'm glad I can keep the money this time. I rarely use the inheritance reward, it feels very cheaty, but it's kind of like a lifesaver at the moment.

I have an update!
Chapter 1.6: Enjoy every idle hour

Ok, as per usual I aged the kiddies up so I could see them... Now you need to choose.
First up the baby mama, Tabbi
First born, Indiana and second Benjamin

I vote Indiana!

I don't know where he got that hair colour... If it's not in the family somewhere, I think I'll change it to his mothers

Super long post! Sorry...


I didn't realize we were talking about teenagers. I need to catch up with your legacy! (And learn to read more carefully, haha.)

I usually use the base game jeans for my teenagers, but yeah. They're not the best. I don't absolutely hate the Generations pants, but they don't suit everyone (or every Sim). Non-adult boy are the hardest Sims to dress, imo. The game lacks suitable clothing for all toddlers, children, teens, and elders, but it's especially bad for the guys. They get neglected the worst.

Post a link to the CC pants you found if you like them. I'm always looking for more clothing for my Simmies.


ROFL! That's just... <3

Love it. Can't wait.


INDIANA!!! I love that name! You can call him Indy for short! :lovestruc


Thank you, all of you guys, for the compliments! My building skills are still pretty iffy sometimes, so I really appreciate it. <3

I secretly love Indiana Jones so when collector was rolled for Pucci it was all I needed

I love the new rolls for marital structure, do you think we could maybe have another one (or extend Second Chance) for a serial monogamist?

Hmm. How often would we be kicking the spouse out and getting a replacement? xD

Would repeats be allowed?

You can already have one of those with single parent, sorta; you just aren't allowed to move the significant other into the household.

Update!

3.15 - More Harm than Helpful http://sarisimsrandomlegacy.blogspo...078c8d6daebc67f

Pearl looks good in black. She's going to make an awesome spy some day... if she ever gets over what happened in this chapter.

My sister may or may not be lurking around here now. I went to visit her over the weekend and told her about The Random Legacy because she said she was getting bored of the sims...

I love the male clothes from Club Crimsyn. There are some nice jeans, even for teens: http://club-crimsyn.dreamwidth.org/22157.html#cutid1
And I use these cuffed jeans for my teens a lot: http://club-crimsyn.dreamwidth.org/47615.html

Also, I like the new additions for marital structure! I would secretly love it if I rolled four adults with five kids. I like to play packed houses.

Thanks for the pants suggestions! Do those look ok on boys who aren't super-skinny?

All the stupid animals and their hunting skill means no left over stuff for Pucci to collect... Well, seeds... But I think that's it

Really? o.o Wow that sucks.

I have my settings to not allow animals in my town.

How do you do that? Because I'm kinda over them...

Hmm... I think it's nrass story progression immigration settings. Or it may be in the nrass register mod somewhere.

I'll let you know for sure if I had my game up right now. =(

Eh, I have no life so I'll probably be able to narrow it down... As long as its either of those 2...

I believe you use StoryProgression to disallow Sims around town to adopt/have animals, Register to disallow strays, deer, and raccoons, and Overwatch to disallow random animal adoption events around town. I'm not sure if Overwatch is strictly necessary to keep families from having animals, but it doesn't hurt I guess.

I don't remember what setting you change in SP though. So many options!

Thanks guys... I'll have a look in the morning (1am here) but I think I remember seeing the adoption thing in overwatch once but didn't think about it when I actually wanted it. I was iffy about disallowing adoption because I had thought it applied to people adoption to, I'll check on Nraas' site later.

I think they do, I haven't had any boys who are really big though. They do look good on medium-sized boys.

I'm not entirely sure, was mainly thinking possibly extending second chance to allow for more than two partners in a row if it fitted a storyline. While you could do something similar with a single parent roll not being allowed to move the partners in does restrict what you can do with it.

I don't think there's ever been a real restriction on having serial monogamy, it's just most people have played the normal marital rolls with one partner, generally speaking. And the rule would dictate that all children be born or adopted while the heir had a partner in the house, and once you start having children, you probably should not go for very long periods without a partner in the house to comply with the rule.
Second chance requires at least two partners, but you could easily extend that within the current rules, I think.
Maybe the marital rolls could be reworded to make that explicit.

Yeah, actually, Buckley did something like that with her single parent with help roll. I don't want to spoil anything, but her sim had one person as the "help", and then that person left the household and immediately there was another sim there as the help.

Second Chance is just kinda a roll that forces you to do it.

Although, with normal rolls, the second person is always going to have to fit that same career you rolled, even if you switch out sims.

I have chapter 119 up: http://archlegacy.blogspot.com/2012...-119-chase.html

How's this...



Is it any clearer? xD

Awesome, Becky! You did a great job cleaning that up.
Those poor rules have had so many contributors with different writing styles (and one with English as a second language), they were so jumbled. It's much better now.

Thanks!

I'm looking at the other sections to see if I can group things together a little better as well. The rules are really all over the place.

Should we also add stuff like this?



There are pros and cons to spelling everything out, of course...

That seems fine to me. =D

The rules sound great, Becky! I'm looking forward to rolling for the next generations and seeing if I get any of the new structures.

Teal, my vote is Indiana. His name is just too awesome to pass up!

I finally have an update ready! It took forever, but hopefully it will be worth it. I'll be on vacation for a week in a few days, so I don't know if I'll get another update in before I leave or not. Anyway, here it is: http://tudorsimslegacy.blogspot.com...marches-on.html

I would much rather have everything spelled out, because as much as some things may seem obvious, things just don't always click...

And I agree, hjax, I love Indiana's name too. Although, I wouldn't care either way, I like things being out of my control, so if I ever produce a stray uggo, feel free to force me to use them :D

You explained everything perfect, Becky... I kept getting funny looks whenever I'd randomly burst out laughing at your comments here and there. So excited to roll a new generation now! I guess I'm off to update my roller

Maddie, can you make it the same way you made the Pets one? Cause your Showtime version didn't work on macs.

Yes, I'm editing the Pets one to include SHT and the new rolls. The language I used for SHT can't be executed on a Mac which as a CSci major I should have known *hits self in the head*.

Psh. If you don't have a mac, you don't care about them. It makes me, as a mac user, sad. T_T

But I forgive you cause you're totally awesome. And totally amazing for making the roll app in the first place.