Whatīs happening in USA? Europe and Usa falling?
Is China the new up comming superstate?

That's a tough call. The discrepancy between the areas of China considerable as 'modern' and the vast areas that are still largely living in third world poverty is enormous. The last earthquake underscored the daunting financial responsibility that goes with such a great geographic area and population. I honestly don't know if they can pull off modernizing the entire country without succumbing to the same pressures that broke up the Soviet Union.

It's not so much America and Europe failing as it is China reentering the international sphere.

Hinoemasim
I know. But I donīt think itīs about "modern" or "democracy" any longer for the running power elite. ( Bush has exceeded the constitution and the result is a world wide mess). Itīs all about globalization and profit.

We are in the middle of a huge global finance crise, no doubt about it and itīs going to hit the avarage people in Europe and USA very hard.

True, and it's already affected the Asian stock markets, as well. The reason I mentioned the things I did is that the bigger the infrastructure, the greater the need for trade to support it.

It's America failing. In the last eight years, our dear leader merrily pissed away much of our prosperity and most of our strategic foreign policy advantage that we had eked out through sixty years of post WWII diplomacy.

Profligacy.

I'm a bit on the fence on this. With all the controversies on the products made in China, I don't think it will become a very influential state, per se. But if you look at the stuff and services it mass produces then yes, it might become one.

I don't think there's any debate that China is a major superpower, or at the very least becoming one, from a political, economic, and military standpoint. It's certainly an economic and political superpower on par with the United States, and in time, I think it will become a very close military superpower--it's within the means of the PRC.

At the same time, I wouldn't necessarily say that the United States or European nations are loosing their place--though I suppose influence is being distributed accordingly.

The global power elite, Bush, a set of international politicians and other kind of leaders mainly from Europe, Japan, South Korea, Saudiarabia and Usa, who togehter created this chaos we are facing today will force us in to a complete new system. Europe have The European Union, a blueprint for The North American Union ( Mexico, USA and Canada), the purpose with these unions is to shape the new system.

In this system there will not exist any countries with sovereignety. The Lisbon Treaty that is under ratification in Europe right now means nothing else than dictatorship and policestate. So be aware. 6000 secret workinggroups in the absolute top position, non of the people in these groups can be elected by the people. Nor can they be dismissed by the people.

In Sweden we are being told that China is the country that had benefit the most from the globalization and that China can develop very fast in the future.

So I just hope the new system donīt turn out to be a neocon- chines dictatorship.

Every 15 years or something there is a economic depression. So its normal it doesnt go well with the economic right now. And its sure China will be important for the world economic. I think China already is a superstate. But China needs Europe and the US for its economic. So it dont scares me or something.

As an oversea Chinese, I am very interested in seeing what progress China would make in the future. I don't think there is any doubt that China would be a major power in the global scene although I do not think she will reach the level the US managed or eclipse the US and Europe. Instead China will probably level the playing field.

The one country I am worried about is Russia. She will dominate Europe and there is little Europe can do about it.

I don't think so. The only time Russia has truly been a world power was when it was part of the USSR. Even then their main influence was militarily not econonically. That's why the cold war pretty much bankrupted them as a nation. Financially they're not even close to Europe

Santje
yes thats basic, but the warnings signal was there years ago. The whole thing has been allowed to accelerate into a superbig crash. Complete unnecessary.
New thing is EU under the Lisbon Treaty and The North American Union. ( this means that we all are colonialstates under the Brittish finance empire).

The death of American prosperity is greatly exaggerated. It only seems bad now, because it has been ridiculously high. It has been far worse than it is now, its just a matter of perspective. According to CNBC, the Dow Jones last closed at 10,365, well below its mark upwards of 11,000. So, we assume this is a financial crisis the likes of which we have never seen...However, it was only during the Bush Administration that the Dow Jones rose above 10,000 in the first place. "Our dear leader" as Doc so calls him, has been in office during the Dow Jones all-time record high, and closing at above 10,000 on the Dow still means the average was higher than any time that ever happened prior to Bush being President. So, a little perspective. Further, it should be noted, that the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are largely the responsibility of Senate Banking committee chairman, Christopher Dodd, who was the single largest recipient of campaign contributions from the two mortgage giants, as well as John Kerry, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, who rounded out the top four recipients, who were also on the take from Fannie and Freddie, and repeatedly attempted to block efforts to reform them.

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Our economy is still healthy. At worst, you could say it has a minor cold, it is not on its deathbed as some would have you believe. We still have the largest economy in the world.

As far as China is concerned, there is nothing that says other nations have to fall in order for China to become a major power. Militarily, China has been a superpower for quite some time already, they possess the worlds largest army, a full nuclear arsenal, and an absolutely gigantic recruiting base. However, the Chinese lack the ability to project that power somewhat. They have a massive army, but they have almost no real navy to speak of.

Economically, they still lag behind, as a significantly disproportionate amount of money only goes to Taiwan, which is entirely capitalist, however the PROC considers Taiwan to be a rogue state. If all of the PROC were as fiscally capable as Taiwan, China would most definitely be an economic superpower. Mainland China though? Iffy. They certainly have the potential to become a World superpower, and I think for the most part, they are close. I do not believe China has quite achieved that level yet, though.

The immediate problem right now is not China the problem is that our politicians operates behind the scenes and are lying to the people, the people are being withhold massive information about the european union and the north american union.

The people of Ireland voted no to the Lisbon treaty, but the EU- elite donīt accept it. If they grab USA into The North American Union itīs all over. We will have dictatorship, policestate and being trapped in a deep depression.

I would have to say America is falling a bit, mostly due to Bush. Also, the NAU is only theoretical and not likely to happen.

If you are going to blame the current drop in the economy on Bush, are you then also going to give him credit for the highest stock average of all time too? Or are you only going to blame when things are bad, and refuse to give credit when they are good? The economy under Bush, saw record highs, yet, nobody gave his policies credit...now that those record highs are coming down slightly, his policies are completely to blame? What hypocrisy, considering it was the Democrats in congress, who were under the take from Fannie and Freddie, that blocked efforts to reform, including Barack "change" Obama. The Bush Administration tried to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Democrats blocked it, and now we are where we are. Because of Christopher Dodd, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry. Or, are you going to argue that the four largest recipients of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had nothing to gain by appeasing their mortgage masters?

Safyre.
Wake up. Lies being told. EU is a blueprint for the NAU.

I'm not blaming bush for the economic drop, he's a partial cause but congress is a much bigger cause of that being they're still funding his war. But I say that America is falling a bit due to Bush because of policies and the way he's handled things on a world scale, America's popularity is falling so we are losing status a bit. And again about the NAU, 1) you don't live here 2) It's theoretical. So if it is real I would like proof of it as most of the research I've done on it has come up with nothing other than it's theoretical and people are being overly paranoid.

Just as a measuring stick, last year, the US Economy had a GDP of about $13.9 trillion dollars, making it the biggest economy in the world by a long shot. (unless you count the EU as a whole as a single economy, rather than as individual countries, in which case the US would be #2 behind the EU's $14.4 trillion GDP) But for a single nation, the USA is so far ahead it isn't even close. The second largest economy is Japan, at only $4.4 trillion, less than a third as big as the US. The USA has by far the world's largest and most powerful economy. China, in comparison, only has a $3.4 trillion dollar GDP. Per capita, however, Chinese citizens only make around $2,000 US dollars a year. If China wants to be a true superpower, that figure will have to be raised significantly, as right now, that makes it 107 out of 179 when measured in per capita income. Like I said previously, China, at least militarily, is probably a superpower. But, while their economy is growing, they have a long, long way to go. The United States is a behemoth economically, and China lags far behind. If it wants to be taken seriously as a major economic superpower, China will have to correct that.

Europe is becoming more dependent on Russia for her energy supply, especially natural gas.

Safyre,
In this case I donīt think itīs a big deal if I live here or over there, we all live in a period of globalization and thats exact what itīs all about, EU and NAU.

EU and NAU are part of the same agenda, belive me, our leaders are allied. And they will create this systemchange together. EU didnīt expand in to 27 countries, with leaders willing to sacriface their countries suveregnety for nothing. The leaders purpuse is to expand together.
Itīs about money, oil, power and to be united against an eventually uprising unwanted new "superpower"/ "threat".

Itīs also about profit in that way that we the people are going to be forced to lower our standard. They want to be able to profit on us, the same way it is possible to profit in India and China. ( This will ofcourse not happen over a night) And if we donīt accept that- they will continue to move our job to other that are willing to accept the "right" conditions. Divide and conquer. So EU and NAU are not a good deal for us. I suppose thatīs why they lie to us.

If our leaders donīt make business this way, they will loose in position in too many ways. The money will go straight in to someone else account instead.

If you want to find facts about NAU you will find it, itīs easy, just dig a little bit deeper. And donīt trust mainstream media blindly.

If you donīt think NAU is going to happen I respect that.

Actually, for several decades, the Russian SFSR, as part of the USSR, exercise considerable economic influence (which probably reached a height during the Oil panics during the 1960s and 1970s in various countries). Besides exporting oil, the USSR flooded the rest of the world with industrial, and military, hardware.

Now, it probably wasn't the same economic power that the United States was (though many neutral nations were far more reliant on the USSR than the USA, particularly in North and Central Africa), it was a form of economic control. Sending $50 million dollars worth of farming machinery (which the USSR did) is just as potent as sending $50 million dollars, if not more so. It was different than the US, which flooded the world with money--the USSR didn't allow its currency to travel beyond its borders under normal circumstances, as a form of fighting inflation.

China is exercising power more in the American than Soviet model.

Davious... There are a lot of things you are wrong about there, but I won't try to argue against them all. Let me just make a broader point.

We have been the most powerful and the richest country on earth for decades now, BUT IT WASN'T ALWAYS THIS WAY. It is easy for those of us that grew up so blessed to forget that or not realize it. A hundred years ago, the richest and most powerful country on earth was Victorian Britain, in an era some now remember as Pax Britannia. "The sun never sets on Brittania." Well, the sun did set on Brittania.

So how did we end up being top dog? World War II. The developed countries of Europe destroyed each other militarily and economically. We stpped into the leftover vacuum, providing stability through plans and organizations like the Marshall Plan and the UN and Nato.

This fell into our lap. We didn't seize it and take it from the world. And we can lose it just as easily if we take it for granted, and we have been doing jnst that for eight years now. We have been waging exhaustive and expensive wars of choice while ignoring the economic damage at home. Play a few rounds of Civilization and you'll see where that leads.

The economic crisis that is happening right now with the credit markets is pretty bad. The stock market numbers are almost irrelevant in gauging it. I don't think we are headed into another Great Depression, as some people on CNBC have been saying, but we are most definitely headed for one helluva recession, an extended one, at the very least, even if the Bailout passes. Many younger people here have probably never experienced a really bad economic turndown and may have a shock awaiting them.

And if you want to know how well the stock market is doing, just get a graph of the DJIA inflation-adjusted for the past 30 years. Wait, I'll google one. Try this one:

http://home.earthlink.net/~intellig...com-dj-infl.htm

Heh... Sorry for posting twice in a row, but I came across this opinion piece just now in The Guardian that says what I was trying to say, much better, even to the point of including the comparison of the US to early 20th century Britain.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...seconomicgrowth