If you are trying to indroduce a study, as in evidence, can you please link the study and not a youtube video.

On your basis of proof this is evidence for life on Mars.

http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...arch_type=&aq=f

Humor really helped me. I was abused by a family member for about twelve years and healing really didn't start until I made the conscious decision that it wasn't going to own me anymore. A person can't reverse past abuse, but they can choose to rise above it. If humor helps a person do that, then more power to them.

Well we have enough pervs on this site to safely do this. Raise your hand if you watch porn on the internet and it made you want to rape someone. :P

Oh yea. I totally fight the urge to rape every time I flip it on. I totally get the urge to emotionally violate and most likely scar innocent people when I watch strangers make whoopie.



How do you heal? Pretend it never happened?
When we found out my father had possibly harmful tumors in his skin, my family was devastated. But he had them removed. He got healthy again. He moved on. He makes jokes about it. He's a very happy man, and he lives with all the ups and downs in his life. He was born weak. He gets sick every few months, and something serious happens fairly often. (Tumors, Kidney Stones, Chronic Bronchitis, Severe TMJ)
But he moves on when he can, and he lives a happy, normal life, and he DOESN'T let bad things in his past dictate his life.

I am not making light of rape. Rape is a serious, disgusting act used to control the psyche of a victim.
But.
If you forever let a traumatic experience control what could be an otherwise happy, healthy, productive life, then it is you who needs help healing.

Edit:
Oh, and I found a great video describing the difference between rape and porn. The definition starts at 1:18, but the whole video's good too.
(Oh, there are big bits of black screens where there is still sound, because the original showtime episode showed some... scenes.
Oh, and a good bit on the difference between porn and child porn.
While it's true that it is a comedy show, they have their facts straight, and that's what is important.

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i think it depends on the individual.

for one, there are INCREDIBLY easy to encourage, types of people. like those kids who watch wrestling, then go out and do it, and later end up on the 6 o'clock news for killing someone.
HOWEVER, not everyone is like that, which is why i say it depends. not EVERY kid who watches wrestling goes out and tries to wrestle or emulate what they saw.

likewise, not EVERYONE who watches porn, goes out and has an orgy, or tries to rape someone.
like, me. i watch porn. i watch some really strange things, most people would say. but i know its just porn, and in no way related to my reality. i dont run out molesting anyone, nor am i a complete hornball unable to control my desires. ive only had sex once--and that was rape. [ and before anyone starts with me, NO i am not traumatized and NO i did not bring it up so everyone can join hands and hold a pity party for me. its just an example. ]
i myself make light of rape, because i believe life is not worth living if you cant laugh at everything in it.
and just because somebody goes OH YOURE AN ASS for doing so, doesnt mean you should stop cracking jokes that make you smile.

anyway.
that was my point on porn. i dont think it encourages the sound individual, but others may interpret it differently.

I guess I should have specified, that first bit was for drowning fishie. Queen(I assume?) of sarcasm. :D
It wasn't my intent to come off hostile. sorry if I did.
Rape is very traumatic. I hugged her, and she cried. But after a while, she stated to feel better. She made light of the boy who was sent back to prison for rape and probation violation. She made light of the situation. She felt better.
The fact that she wasn't a virgin also helped her deal with it. I can't imagine what it would be like if my first time was like that...

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if you can imagine what its like to be in such physical pain that you cant stop screaming in order to cry, you can.
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He was sent to jail mostly for the probation violation, which is the sad part. It was the "tipping point."

Life is always hard, but trust me, trying to ignore or wash over your problems makes it harder. It sound cliche, but when I was younger, I thought being gay was a terrible thing. I thought my friends would abandon me, I thought my parents would stop loving me, I thought the world would end. But, of course I did. When you're 8 you're universe is no bigger than a neighborhood. After a sort of self-indoctrination, I really started to believe that I was straight, and that everything would be better. After a good aging and some therapy, and a self-created mental fuckhole from 11-15, I started to get better.
I realize that's it's not nearly as mentally damaging as being raped, but, I hope I mad my point.
Things don't bug me as much because I found a method of healing. It may not be humor for you, but, at least in my experience, it helps. Remember, sparkles don't make my poo smell any rosier. Metaphors FTW.

Cha. More-or-less.

IMO the only people that would think this way, introduce this argument are people who think about rape,
It doesn't cross my mind, sex does all the time but rape, fk no, tbh never,

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....ract_id=913013#

Source research of the video.

Look up child molesters in Wisconsin, Micheal O'Donnell. You will see my step father. Need I continue on with what he is in jail for. Not me but my nieces and 9 other children. He never watched porn, always went to church, seemingly normal guy. Bastard only got a few years though.

Pare321 queen of sarcasm huh? :-P

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Well I just looked it up, there saying a lot less then the courts did. Guess he got off on a few. Still. I think I am going to go gag now that I think about this vile mine.

Forgot to post a link. That'll learn me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDYZOaTaK2A

Watch at 1:17- 2:28, why porn doesn't lead to rape.
And at 8:47-9:40, there's a bit about the difference between porn and child porn.
Feel free to watch the whole video, though, it's good.

Drowning Fishie: Yes. You are. I stand by it.
Sarcasm = good.

Yes. For the most part, I agree with their opinions. (on all of their episodes)
There are parts that I disagree with, but I posted that link because it shows a serious definition of the difference between porn, child porn, and rape. True, they throw in some humor, but they don't shirk on providing the facts.

If it helps, here is the paper the youtube video is apparently based on.
I haven't read it yet. So I don't know how convincing or exhaustive the (rather short) paper is.

So, back to lurking :D

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Up front I would like to admit I am a Christian. Having said that I would also like to say I believe people become true Christians by answering God's call not people like me's threats. I try not to worry so much about how much other people are doing "evil" as whether or not I am doing any "good". I think if we concentrated more on that we'd all be a lot better off. On the other hand I would like to say that there is a lot of "evil" out there in the form of porno that demeans women.
I viewed the whole thing including the graphics. I admit he makes some powerful points that I would like to investigate further. I have four points however I would like to make.

1. Having taken college level statistics coursework I am aware that you have to be very careful about skewing your findings by being too choosy about what statics you zero in on or inversely if you want to skew your results then the thing to do is zero in on certain findings.

2. In relation to point #1 I would like to to know why he chose to make the year 2001 his target date (I accept the 1980 date as valid)? It appears to me if his thesis is right an even later year would show an even better ratio. Either that or this is a very old video and then I have to wonder why it is just coming up. If this is truly the case why do we not have more recent information.

3. Why did he disregard any other causes without discussing why he did so? He simply belittled them and moved on. To prove something you must disprove everything else. He has not done that.

4. If we are talking about statistics why belittle the Church? You prove the case and then you start looking for explanations not use something you don't like to try to prove your point.

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there is a lot of "evil" out there in the form of film and television that demeans women, but nobody ever seems to bring that up because what we see in tv shows and films is acting and fake, professionally made pornography is the same exact thing except there is sex, pure consensual sex and roleplay. I don't see the point of claiming that pornography demeans women when in all reality it doesn't, it's fake just like any movie you'd see in a theatre.

When I say pornography I do not limit it to the internet and to tell you the truth I am not totally against pornography as long as it doesn't show women as victims of act rather that partners in the act.

Edit: I also understand that for movie making purposes it may be necessary to show a woman in an abusive situation of some type. As long as the movie is not glorifying the perpetrator again, I have no problems with that.

Porn does not demean women.

Honestly. I mean, if anything, porn can make a woman feel better about herself.
How many of you can honestly say you'd let an entire film crew shoot you naked from several different angles in a sometimes vulnerable position? Some women can't even take off their damn bra while having sex with their partner!

Edit: God.
I'm really gonna get pissed. CT, I try to be polite to you, but you. God damn it.

I seriously seriously doubt that most people involved in porn are sad drug addicts. In the words of Penn Gillette "You just say whatever shit that pops into your head, don't you?" I provided the clip because it is correct about rape, rape is not sexy, rape is not sex, rape is not caused by porn, rapists are not confused lovers, rapists are dangerous criminals who want power. Porn between consensual adults is perfectly legal in The United States and several other countries, and if it even had ANY effects on a rapist, don't you think they'd have a little trouble getting it up after jacking off all afternoon? I'll say it again just to be perfectly clear. PORN IS NOT BAD.
But, back on to the sad drug addicts point you stupidly brought up.
I bet the "reformed" strippers you've allegedly talked to fall into the same category as reformed bible-toting murderers, yeah? They find fault with things they've done, so they try to make it right.
I'm not saying stripping is a crime like murder, in fact, it's not a crime. (Wait, weren't we talking about PORN not STRIPPING? And did we forget that some porn is free? (So that throws out you "it's for the money" claim) I'd post a link to prove my point, but I know that MTS has standards.) This sort of self-indoctrination that some formers strippers use to convince themselves they're bad people helps them think that their life was horrible, and they need to make a change.
Now, I can't say that all strippers are happy, because I'm not all strippers.
Just as you can't say all strippers are unhappy, because you, also, are not all strippers.
BUT, I think it'd be helpful if you just stopped imagining everyone as very very very sad.

Edit again: AND, I'd like to address "porn addictions".
There is no element in porn to make it addictive, porn does not ocme packaged with nicotine. If ANYTHING, it's a psychological want and weak impulse control, not a physical dependence. Porn is about as addicting as chocolate and shopping. You can't just throw around the word addiction like that.
Oh, Penn Gillette, you provide me with so many quotes. "Words mean shit, you can't just throw them around."
I'm going to go punch my wall. In the face.

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