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2nd Feb 2010, 04:02 AM
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 Am I right t assume MTS doesnt support blunt mention of the booty apart from
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| Claeric |
the mention in the WCIF guidelines? Especially in...um...uploads? Despite paysites being against the EULA and completely not anything any paysite owner can justify, and sharing of that content being something they cannot do anything about? ;______; Or am I extremely lucky and we can go "This is a pay content but hey yeah it's totally easy to legally get for free"? ._. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 04:14 AM
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whiterider
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If you're referring to a particular upload which includes or requires pay content, please report it. If it's a general question; we don't allow any pay content in uploads whatsoever, so there's no need for mention of the booty. In terms of general usage, there's no problem with booty talk or links - although in a download thread it's probably off-topic. |
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"On the page, punctuation performs its grammatical function, but in the mind of the reader it does more than that. It tells the reader how to hum the tune." - Lynn Truss, Eats, Shoots and Leaves |
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Last edited by whiterider : 2nd Feb 2010 at 04:27 AM.
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2nd Feb 2010, 04:17 AM
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| Claeric |
Oh, we CAN link on the forums? That's good to know. Otherwise, god DAMNIT. I wasn't asking aobut reporting an upload, but rather MAKING one. I made a sim I'm extremely happy with only to learn his hair is a frickin peggyzone paysite hair, meaning I cannot upload him and even if I could I assumed I would not be able to say "Hey, you can get the hair at this direct link from the booty". So damn frustrating. :\ |
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2nd Feb 2010, 04:27 AM
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whiterider
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You can always change the hair... |
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"On the page, punctuation performs its grammatical function, but in the mind of the reader it does more than that. It tells the reader how to hum the tune." - Lynn Truss, Eats, Shoots and Leaves |
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2nd Feb 2010, 04:32 AM
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| Claeric |
He was basically built around the hair. That's what makes it so frustrating. I'm trying alternate hairs but I dont think its gonna happen. So now I'm wondering if we're allowed to upload things to the forums, not actual donwload section stuff? Could I just post him in the topic in creator feedback and list his hair name and link to the booty? or is that not allowed? |
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2nd Feb 2010, 05:14 AM
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whiterider
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No, that's not allowed. CFF is for getting help and feedback with creating. The Downloads area is for downloads. We have uploads standards for a reason - trying to get around them will result in swift deletion. |
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"On the page, punctuation performs its grammatical function, but in the mind of the reader it does more than that. It tells the reader how to hum the tune." - Lynn Truss, Eats, Shoots and Leaves |
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2nd Feb 2010, 05:17 AM
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| Claeric |
So there's basically no way I can share this sim? Despite MTS not supporting pay sites, despite pay sites not following hte EULA, despite pay sites being "illegal", despite pay sites not being able to do a thing about their stuff being distributed, there's nothing I can do? :\ Well, apart from just making my own forum based site like so many people do. Which I am considering. ;__; |
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2nd Feb 2010, 07:42 AM
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Quite frankly, whether or not paysites are for/against the EULA has absolutely zero bearing on this issue - it has already been stated that no pay content is allowed, so I really don't see what the problem is. You have a sim with pay hair, therefore you must remove it. Unless of course, you actually want to support paysites... Which is basically what you'd be doing by uploading a sim with, you know, pay hair on it. Doesn't matter if it's available on the booty or not, it's still supporting paysites. But to answer the question again - no, you cannot share that sim when it has pay hair on it on this site. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 08:26 AM
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| Claeric |
it has already been stated that no pay content is allowed, so I really don't see what the problem is. I just dont quite understand why "You can get the hair from here- [link to booty]" isn't an option, though like I said I suspect it's a reputation thing. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 08:29 AM
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Claeric just look for a site with different rules when you have an upload that is not allowed on your usual site. This place is beginning to look like the Claeric show - which is great when you're sharing something technical you just discovered but not so great when you're having one of your frequent rants :D |
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simlogical Please do not PM me with questions about modding. Please post in an appropriate forum and send me a link to the thread if you would like me to try and help. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 08:40 AM
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HystericalParoxysm
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Because we don't support, encourage, or endorse the use of pay content here. We encourage people to use FREE content, and part of that is by showing off only FREE content in uploads. We link to the Booty in the WCIF announcement simply because it's easier than getting tons of "hay WCIF pay content for free?" posts there and we don't disallow linking to it in areas it might be relevant (for example, someone in the Create section asking a technical question about how something was done on a pay item, and linking to the Booty so others can download it and take a look under the hood). This policy has been decided after a LOT of discussion about different options and the sort of site we want it to be and it is not going to change, even if you complain about it. I know it can be frustrating to find the perfect content and not be able to use it, but if you get in the habit of using all free content in your game if you're going to share stuff, you don't have that issue. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 08:42 AM
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| Claeric |
I'm not ranting. I don't think it makes the slightest bit of sense(I have absolutely no idea how using content from a pay site is anything close to actually supporting it), but there's absolutely no point in saying so, as Delphy has a very agressive "Dont like it go elsewhere" and "we decided it already so get over it" attitude about anything like this I bring up. Nothing will change no matter what I say about it, so all I can do is wonder WHY things are how they are, and hope for a reasonable and nice response. (The way HP said it makes A TON more sense. "Support" and "use" are two completely different things. Taking something that costs money does not in any way whatsoever in any universe SUPPORT the idea of it costing money. But saying MTS doesnt support the USE of it makes a hell of a lot more sense, although I still don't know the "why" of it all.) I have been considering for a while making my own little spinoff forum site to post things I can't put here, like a bunch of people have done, but at the same time it's very frustrating to know that things I really worked hard on can't be displayed here, the epitome of CC sites. Plus I probably dont have the skills or stuff to upload to justify such a site or even get any downloads. It really sucks to finish a project and discover part of it is paid content and then discover that it just keeps getting worse and you can't even share it. So forgive me for my(justified, I think) frustration. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 08:51 AM
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HystericalParoxysm
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You're frustrated about a rule that we've had in place - with explanations of WHY it's like that - for YEARS now. If you wanted to share your sims here then it would have been easy to check the rules before you ever made him. The reasons for this rule have been stated - just because you don't like the reasons doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. We don't want people basically advertising for paysites by showing off their stuff in uploads, period. Whereever you get the stuff from is irrelevant - it's still pay content, and we want to encourage use of free content on OUR free site. As it is a private site, we make the rules - and this is one rule that will not change. We like it. We're keeping it. If you don't like it, you're welcome to make your own site - other people making their own sites or going to other sites doesn't bother us in the slightest. We find flouncing amusing. You saying someone has an aggressive attitude cracks me up - come on, Claeric, you're about as aggressive as they come. You get a taste of your own medicine and get all upset. It's kind of funny, actually... |
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2nd Feb 2010, 08:53 AM
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Inge Jones
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Claeric, how about The Exchange? No need to immediately make your own site unless you're gonna have masses of sims wearing Peggy hair. |
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simlogical Please do not PM me with questions about modding. Please post in an appropriate forum and send me a link to the thread if you would like me to try and help. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 08:56 AM
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No, you don't understand! I didnt KNOW it was pay content when I made him. It was in my game, so I figured it was not- and I am sure when I downloaded it, it was not. I had no idea it was pay until AFTER I was finished and searching for the link sot hat I could upload it. I don't need to be chided for not knowing that rule as if I sat down and said "heh heh heh im gonna make a sim with paysite content, let's see what they do about THIS". I had absolutely no idea it was pay. If i did I never would've used it anyway, simply because people couldn't get it without paying. And no, that reason makes sense- but the way delphy worded it did not. He said MTS doesnt "support it". I took that to mean that giving it to people, for free, not paying them, was a way of supporting the practice, which I said makes no sense(because it doesnt). But the way you say it- its advertisement, all that- makes much more sense. Simply saying "MTS does not support paysites" doesn't really give a clear answer, and I took it for what it said. I didnt deny the reasoning, I just didnt understand it. But your answer DOES make sense, and is totally reasonable. It's still very frustrating and upsetting that I can't put something I care about and want to share somewhere where it will matter, but at least now I know WHY. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:02 AM
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HystericalParoxysm
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Delphy may have worded it in a way that didn't make sense to you, but I don't think it made -no- sense. In any case, IMO the best wording for it is in the actual Creator Guidelines. At least, I sure as hell hope it's good wording since we worked on it for days so it'd be clear and concise and not able to be misinterpreted. That can be found here: http://www.modthesims.info/wiki.php...red_Pay_Content Look, Claeric, Imma be blunt - you may have good points, good questions, and you're intelligent, but the way you present yourself is VERY combative and aggressive - and it's really offputting. You must know it - you've gotten into a lot of arguments here, not just with staff but regular members. Maybe you don't mean to come off that way, but you really, really do, and I -want- to like you, but you make it very difficult. Maybe in future, consider how what you're saying will be perceived, and try to step back the aggression and be a little nicer. You may find you get much nicer reactions from other people, and something tells me your blood pressure might need that bit of relaxation. 
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:00 AM
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Inge Jones
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Peggy has free hair also. The point is that even using her free hair gives her site some credit and advertising, and I believe MTS is trying to avoid that too. |
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simlogical Please do not PM me with questions about modding. Please post in an appropriate forum and send me a link to the thread if you would like me to try and help. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:07 AM
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HystericalParoxysm
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You can use free hair from pay sites - it's about the individual item, not the site (except in the case of TSR as it's quite common for things to turn pay there when someone is promoted to FA, so all TSR content is considered pay as far as MTS upload is concerned - if Peggy starts doing that regularly than the policy on Peggy might change). It's a "what you see is what you get/can get without having to pay" thing. Certainly, we'd prefer if everyone used stuff from completely free sites as free is good and we like the free community, but we do allow free stuff from pay sites since, well, you don't have to pay for it. 
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:11 AM
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Then what's the difference if you link to the booty?! @_@ And as for the other stuff I try very hard to be understood and make sense and I've said this before but I try too hard and it makes me come off wrong. It is frustrating and it makes me sad. Like, very much so. Apart from that, just gonna go ahead and say it(I've said it before and a few mods agreed so maybe i'm safe to), but a lot of people on MTS have the reasoning skills(and perhaps overall intelligence) of a dog encased in solid cement, which does not help at all. Note that dogs already have no reasoning skills, so a dog encased in cement is gonna have a pretty hard time. It's hard to be civil when people often won't listen to a word you say to begin with...
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:14 AM
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Lol!! It may be true, but isn't part of "social skills" learning not to say so?
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simlogical Please do not PM me with questions about modding. Please post in an appropriate forum and send me a link to the thread if you would like me to try and help. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:18 AM
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Delphy
Delphinius The Great
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Actually, Claeric, I did not say "MTS does not support paysites", I said that you would be supporting paysites by actually uploading a Sim with pay hair on it. By "support" I mean in a purely financial way. You "support" the site becuase you want to use (and link) to something on a Sim that is from a paysite, that people would go to and then buy the stuff, thus supporting them financially. Obviously MTS is a free site, and we support (as in morally, not financially) free content, and we promote free content providers. We do not support (as in financial) pay content, becuase that detracts from the free content. |
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Tumblr - Yes, I have a blog. :) <Corsix> Why 'mod the sims 2' when you can mod 'mod the sims 2'? Story books are full of fairy tales, of Kings and Queens, and the bluest skies. |
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:19 AM
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| Claeric |
I dont say so. I'm sure you saw the thread where people couldn't figure out how opinions work, or the thread HP closed that was a thread bumped from a year ago by somebody. I had 50+ posts in which I had the restraint to not just outright say it. I wanted to real bad though, I like the funny picture of imagining a dog encased in cement trying to figure something out. ;-;
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:17 AM
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HystericalParoxysm
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Because it's still advertising for pay content. Someone had to pay for it originally - Peggy still made money on it. It's still a pay hairstyle, even if it did fall off a truck. We want to encourage people to use all free stuff - we like free sites and free content. It's about using our site to help the free community by showing off only free content - so that people are aware of it, use it, and it has a higher profile than pay stuff. That is the vision we want for the site - we've got enough of a "voice" in the community through our popularity to make a difference in the community, and part of that is being all free, and only advertising all free content in uploads here. There are a lot of dumbasses, yes. But there are also a lot of fairly intelligent people - or ones that can be intelligent, if treated with the right hand. Even if someone is a pain in the ass, it still pays to be as nice as you possibly can, even to the point where you think you're overdoing it. It seems to work just fine on you when I do it.
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2nd Feb 2010, 09:23 AM
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Well now I feel even worse because you basically just said "YOu don't deserve how nice i'm being " and I dont even know what I did wrong.
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