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23rd Apr 2010, 12:11 AM
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Modern art actually isn't the name for the current art movement, going by most definitions. We are actually in the postmodern art period, though this isn't universally accepted by art historians. So technically the term "modern art" is being applied (mostly) accurately in this thread, but I think that some people are trying to get at contemporary art rather than modern art, whereas others are actually describing modern art. 
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23rd Apr 2010, 9:02 AM
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23rd Apr 2010, 7:06 PM
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With the exception of the Dancing Building (which I kind of like... it sort of reminds me of Gaudi's work, which I also like), those other buildings were probably never intended to be "art". They're utilitarian, designed for function rather than for looks. Just because you don't like "modern art" (whatever that is... Art Nouveau, Art Deco, Arts and Crafts, and Impressionism are all relatively recent art movements, occurring in the last two centuries) doesn't mean that you're right and everyone else is wrong. Art is subjective. Posting a bunch of links to utilitarian buildings built by communist governments isn't exactly a persuasive argument against "modern art". How about this or this or this or even this? Do you not consider those buildings "art" simply because they're not in the classical or Gothic styles? |
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23rd Apr 2010, 8:05 PM
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23rd Apr 2010, 8:51 PM
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Last edited by jooxis : 23rd Apr 2010 at 9:05 PM.
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23rd Apr 2010, 9:23 PM
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I am sorry, but you didn't read all what I posted in this thread. I said that I love Art Nouveau (Jugendstil, Secession) and Gaudi's work too, okay I didn't mentioned that I love impressionism. Anyway, building is building. I think that every architect must be an artist and talented creationist. What I am calling "modern", I think on everything after World War I. So I think that these your pics are art. Quote:
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You also likes to be right.  If I think that something is ugly, that's subjective opinion. You or anyone else doesn't have to accept it. jooxis, Burj Al Arab looks (to me) like space shuttle. Very, very nano. |
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23rd Apr 2010, 9:48 PM
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Well, that's your own definition. Wikipedia defines it as follows: Modern art refers to artistic works produced during the period extending roughly from the 1860s to the 1970s, and denotes the style and philosophy of the art produced during that era. Quote:
No, I'm just tired of being told that I'm wrong on a subjective issue. You're the one who's accused modern artists of being lazy, crazy, and mad... not me. Quote:
Are you listening to yourself? You're the one who started this thread. You're the one who's trashed "modern" art and architecture and tried to bring everyone around to your point of view. Take your own advice, please. |
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24th Apr 2010, 11:37 AM
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I agree with ivan17, I don't like architecture after WW1. But some styles, like Art Nouveau are beautiful. When I was commenting in the earlier post, I was comparing old victorian and modern style (after 1940). I really think that boxy modern flats and mansions that we see today are stupid and ugly. Also older replicas of baroque furniture are more expensive because today it's hard to find them. Yes, modern is expensive, but you can't compare baroque armchair with box-like or sphere-like modern armchair. Answer this: Where you would rather spend your free time? here: http://www.decodir.com/wp-content/u...otto-Italia.jpg or here: http://www.churchrefinishing.com/mo...ts-Ti-large.gif Where would you rather sleep? here: http://www.homeimprovementplace.com...ern-bedroom.jpg or here: http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/...AAAAAAEb6Dw.jpg I definitely chose old and romantic! |
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24th Apr 2010, 1:06 PM
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In both cases, I would go for option number one. Number two looks too heavy, kitchy, it evokes napthalene balls and dust bunnies. While number one makes me think of fresh air and freedom, the simplicity of the design has a calming effect on me (I love the bedroom). |
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24th Apr 2010, 4:12 PM
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24th Apr 2010, 5:09 PM
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fakepeeps7, I really don't have time to brawl with you. I would not pay too much attention on wikipedia, because I can now log in and change Modern art to my own definition. I think that we can't even compare art and architecture from 1860s with 1970s. I am not participating on this site to change other's mind, opinion or convert to Christianity! OMG, no!!! I just like to express my own attitude. I feel that everyone here agree with me or just trying to prove that I am wrong and change my opinion. E.g. 1. If I say that I don't like gays, I am wrong. 2. If I say that I am Catholic, I am guilty for all Vatican's bad things (from St. Peter - 2010). 3. If I say that I don't like most of architecture and most for art after WWI, I am wrong. Funny, but truth.
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24th Apr 2010, 5:51 PM
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Uh... Ivan, please don't drag other debate topics in here. We've got separate threads for each of them. And as far as art and architecture go... they certainly are subjective. I personally think Gehry's work, for instance, is just awful--but that doesn't make me right or wrong, it just means I don't find his particular style appealing. There isn't a right or wrong answer to what you like, after all, and I think the fact that human beings still have varying tastes on things is a reassuring sign. Unless your favorite architectural movement is brutalism. Then you're wrong. 
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24th Apr 2010, 7:56 PM
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Why did you start a debate if you don't want to debate? Quote:
Well, you could, but then you'd also have to delete the footnote that indicates that that definition is actually from a book... and not from some random Wikipedia editor. Quote:
Well, that's your opinion. But I think you missed the point. Those dates merely indicate the beginning and end of the Modern Art movement... not points of comparison. Quote:
I actually prefer the modern living room and the more traditional bedroom (although I wouldn't mind sleeping in the modern bedroom, either). I guess you'd call my taste "eclectic". Quote:
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24th Apr 2010, 8:05 PM
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I love street art, Banksy is The Man. |
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Yes OUIJA No ABCDEFGHIJKLM NOPQRSTUVWXYZ 1234567890 GOOD BYE |
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24th Apr 2010, 8:50 PM
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Because of fun, not to shake out all my negative energy on someone, only because I don't agree with him. Quote:
Is anybody checking all informations on wikipedia? Quote:
Can we even compare:  with  ? jhd1189, okay. Brutalism,  terrible!According to fakepeeps7 and wikipedia: "Brutalist architecture is a style of architecture which flourished from the 1950s to the mid 1970s, spawned from the modernist architectural movement." It's modern then. Postmodern architecture is then very, very, very mild brutalism. Arisuka, it seems that street art is like born for brutalism.
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24th Apr 2010, 9:53 PM
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24th Apr 2010, 10:35 PM
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Then you're a hypocrite. I didn't start out negative, either. But when someone is constantly saying, "Your opinion is wrong and here's why," without even trying to understand the opposite point of view, it starts to grate on the nerves. Quote:
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Stop putting words in my mouth. You may think you're being clever, but you're just coming off as a closed-minded ass. You want people to accept your opinions, but you absolutely refuse to accept that people don't have to share your opinion! Unbelievable... You like old architecture. We get it. What you don't seem to get, however, is that you're using a definition for "modern art" that is not commonly accepted. That's not an opinion. It's a fact. All you have to do is Google it. Don't like Wikipedia? Here are some more definitions for you (although I don't know why I'm bothering; you've closed your mind so hard I heard the door slam shut from North America): Modern Art: Art from the Impressionists (say, around 1880) up until the 1960's or 70's. Modern Art - 1900s to Present And the Wikipedia definition was from a book called Artspeak by Robert Atkins. I have no idea if it's a correct source or not, and I'm not about to buy the book just to prove a point to some stubborn twit on the Internet. For someone who claims to be a person of faith when it comes to your religion, you seem to require an awful lot of proof for everything else. |
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25th Apr 2010, 9:12 AM
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Well, nothing is impossible to compare. I was thinking (up) on buildings that are placed in same style. These two yours...this first looks medieval and second is from last century. We can compare materials - stone.
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25th Apr 2010, 11:17 AM
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Ummm... well, I was answering to your post where you asked the same.. and in your first post in this thread you also did. I don't like all the modern architecture as I don't like all the classical architecture. I just want to make people realize that some modern architecture is awesome, and not everything are soul-less buildings. |
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25th Apr 2010, 11:55 AM
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Yeah. I understand and respect your opinion. Everything depends about taste. Quote:
fakepeeps7, I never wrote "Your opinion is wrong and here's why,". This is debate and it's not forbidden to reply and express own opinion. You like to reply everyone, but when somebody reply to your post, then it starts to grate on the nerves. And now I am a hypocrite just because I am having fun in participation in debate and having different opinion. It looks that participating in debates means a lot to you, when you can afford yourself bad language and abusing others. I can also use your words for you: "You want people to accept your opinions, but you absolutely refuse to accept that people don't have to share your opinion! Unbelievable..." I will never come down to your level of insulting people and blackmailing on base of their faith just to win.
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25th Apr 2010, 1:06 PM
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People, please stop fighting and arguing. We are here to discuss what's nicer and better, not to argue. For ivan17: You can't compare Palais Garnier (one of the most beautiful buildings in France and one of the best opera houses) with some random box-like building which you have found on net. It would be the same to compare Versailles with small modern home. For Vampire_aninyosaloh: The same, you find a medieval fortress pictured in strange angle, and than you posted a picture which shows modern mansion in all its glory. Things that we could compare, is for example these two: A Venus, Greek-inspired sculpture http://www.amlinkmarble.com/image_s...urseason-sm.gif High modern boat-like statue http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1366..._5ac8ad2696.jpg Or compare these two fountains: http://www.garden-fountains.com/ima...en-fountain.jpg EDIT: copy this as internet adress (http://image60.webshots.com/60/4/65...35fNblQC_fs.jpg) I think that all of you already know what I will chose
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25th Apr 2010, 5:03 PM
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Indeed. Please knock it off with the bickering, everybody. I'm seeing lots of little jabs and cheap shots here, and that is not how a healthy discussion works. Also, pegasaus, I just wanted to let you know that your last link doesn't seem to be working.
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25th Apr 2010, 5:49 PM
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Well, I was doing the same thing that ivan17 did but by the other side to show him that he couldn't compare like that.. but it seems that I explain myself too bad all the time, so I'll leave this forum.. ahem | |
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25th Apr 2010, 6:13 PM
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Well, I was just trying to say that it's hard to place Palais Garnier and building from 1960s in the same style. My choice is like yours. I think that is much harder to make classical statue, than modern. |
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25th Apr 2010, 7:01 PM
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Blackmailing? I don't think you understand what that word means. I don't want to fight with you anymore. I'm not a "reason" for an edit (I saw your first post). If you wanted to talk about postmodern art or contemporary art, then you should have said so in the first place. Personally, I don't really see how this issue is even something you can debate. You can't change a person's sense of aesthetics by beating them over the head with other opinions. To answer the original question (Modern Art after WWI: pretty or ugly?), here's my final answer: both. Some of it is beautiful, and some of it is not so beautiful. The time period encompasses too many styles to declare that it's all pretty or all ugly. But that's just my opinion. And I'll leave it at that. |
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