“The Bible states-“
Stop right there. I don’t want to offend anyone with the following statements, but they must be said. America is not a theocracy. The Bible is not the Constitution. Christianity, or any other religion, doesn’t rule or govern America. This is not a Christian country; this is a secular country. One religion ruling the country goes against the very ideas of our forefathers. That’s the reason why pilgrims came to America in the first place, to escape religious persecution from the Catholic ruling power. This is why separation of church and state exist in the Constitution.
You’re free to believe, practice, and praise whatever religion you’re a part of; I fully respect that. Religion is a personal, private matter. Once it starts influencing laws and the rights of others, then it becomes public.
Let’s say a politician enacted a law, rule, or plan of action affecting you based on what the Torah or Buddha’s teachings stated. Would that be fair or wise? Not everyone’s Christian or follow the Bible’s teachings. Not everyone adheres to Christian beliefs. You’re banning people’s rights based on something they don’t even follow. Be honest: is that fair? Would you want the same thing to happen to you?
“Marriage is a Christian term/idea. The church should decide if gays get married. Gays can get civil unions and receive the same rights, but they can’t call it marriage.”
When did Christians claim ownership of the term or idea marriage? Christianity didn’t create the idea or the term ‘marriage’. Marriages existed long before Christianity, starting as early as Babylonian times, which began in 3700 BC!
Calling it civil unions is referring to gays as second-class citizens, unworthy of real marriage. Separate but equal really. Gays should have the legal right to call it the same thing their heterosexual family and friends do. Same rights, same name.
I respect the right of churches to choose rather gays can marry in their place of worship. That’s their personal, legal decision.
“Being gay is immoral.”
Your opinion, not a fact. Gay people have the same morals, rules, likes, dislikes, dreams, ambitions, goals, and hobbies like you. They aren’t all promiscuous and they aren’t child molesters. They have the same amount of strengths and flaws you have.
“If we let gays marry, then we’d open the door for polygamy, pedophilia, and bestiality.”
Wrong. Same-sex marriage is between two consenting human adults. Heterosexual marriage is between two consenting human adults. The only thing different are the genders. Gay marriage won’t cause a marriage benefits revision, involve minors who’re still mentally and emotionally developing or unknowing animals.
“It’s always been tradition for a man and a woman to marry. Why fix something that isn’t broken?”
Because it is broken. It’s unfair and unconstitutional. Just because something’s tradition doesn’t make it right. As taxpaying, law-abiding Americans, gays deserve equal rights.
“Being gay is a choice. A gay man can easily leave that life and marry a woman.”
Just like you can leave your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband and become gay. Although scientists haven’t found the exact cause of homosexuality, they believe for certain that it is not a choice. Biological differences between straight and gay men have been found; certain areas of a gay male’s brain react like a woman’s brain. The same is for lesbians, in which certain areas may respond like a man’s brain. Finger length may be different for a gay male than a straight male. Even gay men’s hair whorl may be different; they’re more likely to have a counterclockwise whorl whereas straight men are more likely have clockwise whorls.
Gays do not wake up one day and say, “Today, I’m going to wear my favorite pair of jeans and be gay.” It’s something totally different. Some know when they hit puberty, before puberty, during adolescence, adulthood, or even later. When the realization hits varies from person to person. The only thing they choose is to be true to their selves and others. Besides, who’d choose to be something their family, friends, teachers, classmates, boss, politicians, religion, and society abhors? Where they may face discrimination, rejection, ostracism, and harassment?
Let’s say a man does marry a woman, have kids, and try to lead the straight life. He may be the best actor in the world, but he won’t be able to hide his feelings forever. He may cheat with other men or “be on the downlow” as some people call it. She may discover it and be devastated. Could you imagine what finding out that you’re husband is gay and that your marriage is a lie would do to you? Why lie to yourself, your husband or wife, and your kids in order to live a lie? Society isn’t the one that has to deal with the lies and turmoil, you do.
“Same-sex marriage will drive up the divorce rates.”
So will opposite-sex marriage. A person’s divorce has no effect on you. Your happy marriage won’t suddenly end because your sister got a divorce. If it does, then your marriage wasn’t stable from the get-go.
“Gay marriage will threaten the institute of marriage.”
How? How are two men or women getting married going to affect your marriage in any way? Same-sex marriage won’t cause divorces or infidelity. It will not defile or taint marriage. Actually, it’ll honor marriage. It’ll show that people still value marriage and see it as worthwhile. It could encourage others to get married. It’ll also provide a great market for wedding planners, caterers, and all the other businesses and people involved in making a wedding happen.
“Gay marriage will threaten America’s families and society.”
Again, how? Gay marriage won’t cause adultery, illness, debt, teenage rebellion, or bad grades to occur in your family. It also won’t destroy society. These are all the places that’ve legalized same-sex marriage: Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Spain, South Africa, Canada, Mexico City, Portugal, and Iceland.
Even 5 states and 1 district in the U.S. have legalized same-sex marriage: Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Washington D.C. Buildings haven’t collapsed, crime rates haven’t shot up, and famine hasn’t ravaged the people. Everyone is OK.
“This is only to influence our children.”
Like how some religious groups influence children to discriminate against gays? Gays don’t want to recruit, convert, warp, or do anything to children; they simply want their American right to marry.
“Why are gays making such a big deal over this? Marriage isn’t that important.”
Actually, it is. Right now, there are 1,100 federal benefits and 400 state benefits granted to married couples. These range from wrongful death benefits to surviving spouse and children to hospital visitation rights. Let’s not forget what private institutions, organizations, and businesses offer. Gays are paying for benefits they don’t even receive.
Plus, marriage is a way to express love and happiness, to let your partner know you truly love and care for them. We all love beautiful weddings, so why not have more of them?
“I don’t think they should marry. Gay people are just weird/freaky/disgusting/scary. They make me uncomfortable.”
This is a poor reason to not grant someone their rights and happiness. Many people were (and still are, unfortunately) uncomfortable with interracial marriage and found dating out of their race weird or disgusting. Have any problems arisen from that? In life, you’ll come into contact with people or things that’re strange or unfamiliar. It’s your responsibility to learn and ask questions when you don’t understand. Sitting in ignorance or fear doesn’t do anyone any good. As long as it’s consensual, loving adults, then there’s really no issue.
“If they want to get married, fine, let them move to where they allow it!”
This is an option but would you really want to lose your doctors, police officers, firefighters, nurses, EMTs, rangers, teachers, sanitation workers, business owners, friends, aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, sons, or daughters? Would you like to move away from everything and everyone you love because of discriminating politicians and voters?
“Gays just want special rights.”
Gays just want the same rights you have; nothing more, nothing less. Gay people pay taxes, pay bills, go to work, fight in the military, and vote just like you. So why shouldn’t they be able to get married?
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|As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.|
Originally Posted by el_flel
The thing is, whilst rational people know that there is no valid reason why homosexual couples shouldn't be allow to marry, the people who oppose it won't listen to reason and aren't likely to change their opinion because they are incapable of expanding their minds that teeny, tiny fraction.
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Originally Posted by Amtram
There are tons of people out there doing things that are just as "icky" as gay sex (and note how often they specify male sex and forget about lesbians. . .wonder why that is?)
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Originally Posted by kustirider2
http://io9.com/5577804/a-drug-for-p...sbian-daughters - Anyone seen this drug? This is the most stupid thing I've ever seen, and 29 mothers participated. This terrifies me.
Originally Posted by Neerie
the National Organization for Marriage (NOM for short) are doing a "national tour" to promote their opinion that same-sex marriage should be a big no no.
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Originally Posted by fakepeeps7
NOM's basic argument seems to be that the main goal of marriage is to provide a mommy and a daddy to children. But not everyone is cut out to be a parent. Does that mean that, if those people don't plan on having or adopting any children, they should be banned from getting married (and lose out on all the rights that go along with marriage)?
There are already lots of different reasons why people get married. Sometimes it's to start a family. Sometimes it's for immigration purposes. Sometimes it's just because two people love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives (or at least the next little while -- let's be realistic here) with each other. It sounds like NOM is the one trying to redefine marriage... not gays and lesbians (and their supporters).
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