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5th Mar 2012, 01:43 AM
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 The Difference Between Sex & Gender
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Jiggles
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Do you believe there is, or should be, a distinctive difference in definition of sex and gender. By this I mean, do you believe that sex defines someone's physical body (male or female) and gender defines someone's personal belief of themselves? (being homosexual, transsexual/gender, bisexual, heterosexual) This topic came up between me and some friends and we were wondering what other people think. I am gay. My friends that I was discussing this with were all straight. We all think that there is a difference between the words. Gender, to us, is a short way of saying "gender identity" and sex should be your body's physical buildup whether you're a female or male (not including homosexuality if you believe that is a physical thing and not a choice, which I do believe by coincidence, just so you know). So, what do you think? and do you think the debate of whether homosexuality is a choice or not is a important factor in this? This is NOT intended to offend anyone. I'm just curious. |
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5th Mar 2012, 01:58 AM
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KKiryu007Joker
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There is no gender identity beyond standard chemical and body differences. The rest is simply irrational societal conditioning. |
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5th Mar 2012, 02:00 AM
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Jiggles
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As much as I respect your opinion, do you have any reasons for thinking the way you do? |
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5th Mar 2012, 02:00 AM
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NollemD
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Sex is a biological construct. Gender is a sociological construct. Homosexuality is not a choice. No, you have not offended anyone, because the aforementioned statements are widely accepted facts in the scientific community and popular culture. It's the religious and social conservatives, I presume, that are trying to confuse the public about homosexuality. |
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5th Mar 2012, 02:43 AM
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5M0K3
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I see where you're coming from. I've never really thought about it, but I guess sex is the state of your body (i.e., WHERE YOU PEE) and gender is chromosomes, mindset, etc, etc. |
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5th Mar 2012, 03:35 AM
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Of course there is a difference between sex and gender - the two things have different definitions. |
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Polgannon Project Seriously, I'm still working on it. |
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5th Mar 2012, 09:52 AM
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haricots
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Sex is s-e-x. Gender is g-e-n-d-e-r. See, the difference. I'm smart and I know it. B-) But, for me, homosxuality is not an option. Actually, I'm still a bit confused. Option in what? Sexual preferences? If it is, then homosexuality is definitely an option. Everyone can be homosexuality, or not. It's their rights. Okay, this post is an OT post. I'm out. :P |
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5th Mar 2012, 10:11 AM
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VerDeTerre
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Huh. I think I've always had it backwards: I thought gender referred to whether one was male or female and sex was what one did. But it looks like it's more of what others are noting here: sex is the physical aspect and gender is the psychological and behavioral aspect. Quote:
Taken from this article on medical writing. | |
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5th Mar 2012, 01:12 PM
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5M0K3
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WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. I just re-read the OP's original post, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he's saying that your gender is like, the gender/sex that you FEEL like? I don't really know how to describe what I think he's saying, but it seems to me that that's it.... I uh... HUH?? |
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5th Mar 2012, 01:23 PM
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Finaleia
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I think that gender is what parts you have while sex is how you perceive yourself, whether that be a mix between the two, purely female or male, or the opposite of what you were born with. There's nothing wrong with whatever gender identity you have, IMO. |
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"Patterning your life around others' opinions is nothing but slavery."
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5th Mar 2012, 04:08 PM
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In spanish at least, sex (sexo) is a biological concept which refers simply to the fact of if you were born a woman or a man. Gender (género), on the other hand, is a sociological construct which is all about the supposed roles or characteristics that women and men tend to have. Sexuality would be a totally different concept that is related to sex (you are homosexual if you are a man who likes men, for example) but not necessarily related to gender. But yeah, that is what I studied in sociology classes. There are sociological theories that say that both sex and gender are things you born with: you born as women so you "stay at home, take care of the kids, whatever other things women are supposed to do". There is also a theory that says that both sex and gender are constructs, as you can "alter" or modify your sex in some ways like body modifications or things like that. My personal view is the one I exposed above, that is the theory I agree most. |
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5th Mar 2012, 06:06 PM
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KKiryu007Joker
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Oh yes basically this is what I think myself. Now the "sex" consists of the genitals and contact between genitals, while the gender is conditioning by societal, personal, and chemical forces. Quote:
Because we are all Jesus Christ and have entitlement to free thought and speech. And about the choice of homosexuality, and it is a choice, some people feel one way and some people feel another, some people are bi, some are gay, some are not, some are asexual, some change, etc. So there is a choice. | ||
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I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT. |
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5th Mar 2012, 06:38 PM
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HAH! Oh, shit, son. I can see where this is going. Better get some popcorn. -- Eh. I don't really have much to add, because like a lot of people up there, I believe that sex is just the physical part, and gender is the sex you see yourself as. I don't see sexual identity or sexual preference as a choice. I'm lucky that my sex and gender are the same. I don't know who would choose to put themselves through an identity crisis. |
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5th Mar 2012, 06:49 PM
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KKiryu007Joker
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That Jesus Christ thing wasn't meant seriously, except for JESUS CHRIST (!), and I am not gay. But sexual preference is a choice as you can change it. I never said I wanted to. | |
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I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT. |
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5th Mar 2012, 07:28 PM
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mauvikinz
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Sex = physical Gender = mental Sexuality = straight/gay/bi/pan in comparison to sex For me... Sex = Female Gender = Half and half Sexuality = Straight Personally, I think sexuality is both genetic and a choice, but still hard to change because of the genetic thing. Your skintone is genetic, but you can change it by getting a tan or bathing in 1 part lemon juice 3 part water to make it paler. It's partway a choice, but that doesn't mean it's something to change. A heck of a lot of people at my old school thought I should get a tan and pierce my ears even though I didn't want to. That was my choice-- not theirs. You can be who ever you want to be, regardless of what others think. |
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5th Mar 2012, 07:33 PM
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KKiryu007Joker
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Hmm.... well for me that would be yay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgOa...feature=related Sex: Male. Gender: Whatever I feel like at the time. Sexuality: None, it's a preference for the person, not the gender. I find 99% percent of male and female people to be positively uninteresting in that way, including myself. There are people in this world who enjoy changing their gender where they "act" like women supposedly.... but I'm not one of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcONhxo3K2k | |
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I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT. |
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Last edited by KKiryu007Joker : 5th Mar 2012 at 08:02 PM.
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5th Mar 2012, 08:49 PM
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whiterider
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Honestly, I don't think it's possible to not (rationally) accept the distinction between sex and gender. It's a fact of life, observable everywhere around us. Alright, many people never have cause to pay much heed to it - being lucky enough to be cisgendered and, as far as they know, not knowing anyone else who isn't cisgendered - but the simple fact that most people don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. Forming an opinion on whether or not something exists, when its existence is a known scientific fact, seems like rather a waste of time, unless you (generally) have a better theory. |
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5th Mar 2012, 09:05 PM
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KKiryu007Joker
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Maybe I should stop talking about this. I'm starting to creep myself out with myself..... |
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I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT. |
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5th Mar 2012, 09:57 PM
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The fact that there is a variety of sexual orientations does not necessarily mean that it is a choice. There is a great variety of hair colors and you can¡t choose the one you naturally get. Of course, you can dye your hair, but if you were born with black hair, your hair will still be black. I think that sexuality is a fluid thing, but that does not mean that you choose that today you are gay and tomorrow you are straight. Quote:
I don't think so. I think you can change your sexual acts, but not your orientation. Deciding not to act in one way for x reasons does not mean that you don't have the orientation in that direction. I clicked some agrees or disagrees, but didn't really have anything to add. |
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5th Mar 2012, 10:36 PM
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5M0K3
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6th Mar 2012, 12:00 AM
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KKiryu007Joker
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I love Ryan! He's a nice dude, and I don't think many people change their preferences.. but some do, I've heard about it, maybe you'd call them bi...... (Iderp) | |
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I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT. |
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6th Mar 2012, 12:11 AM
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5M0K3
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6th Mar 2012, 12:26 AM
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KKiryu007Joker
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Direct quote from him is better than me, because obviously I can't be considered gay or bi. | |
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I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT. |
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6th Mar 2012, 04:09 AM
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Misanthrope
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I don't really understand the distinction between the two. Biologically, I was born a female, so that is what I am. Personality-wise, I am more like the 'stereotypical man' rather than the 'stereotypical woman'. But for gender-identity, I don't necessarily associate myself with either group. I've never ready understood gender-identity and transgenderism, as I am personally indifferent on the matter @__@ |
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6th Mar 2012, 05:00 PM
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bassoon_crazy
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I don't understand how anybody can think sexuality is a choice. I suppose the confusion comes from those who a.) are bisexual and haven't admitted it to themselves, b.) don't know what sexuality actually means (Sexual attraction - what turns you on) or c.) have such a low sex drive that they aren't really inclined to one over the other and therefore think it's a choice. For the sake of the topic - Gender has nothing to do with homosexuality. Gender is what you feel you are. It's probably really hard to understand the concept of gender identity when it matches your sex. However, when it doesn't, you realize that it's not something that can be described simply. It isn't societal gender roles, it's something much deeper than that. |
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