Originally Posted by r_deNoube
People aren't very good at thinking what other people tell them they have to think. More specifically, people with depression aren't very good at thinking encouraging or philosophical thoughts that other people tell them they have to think. It's a characteristic of the condition, part of what distinguishes it from merely being in a bad mood.
But like I said I had depression and I never wanted to do that. I don't understand how you could not be afraid to do it.
I wanted to completely give up on my life but not on life itself. OK I guess maybe I could understand how they could consider doing it but to actually attempt it?
If they are deranged then wouldn't they be so deranged that they'd have fearful thoughts about what happens when they die and chicken out?
I don't care how mentally ill a person is. I would think that everybody would be afraid to die before their time (unless they had cancer). Maybe if they're religious and acted so sure that they were going to a peaceful place but that's obviously not all suicide attempters. Also the thing is they could easily fail. And in the case of ceasing to exist, it's better to feel something than nothing at all. How do they know what it's going to be like if they feel "nothing"? How do people grasp the concept of feeling nothing? How does that even make sense? Does that make more sense to mentally ill people? I'm mentally ill and I think that helps it to not make sense to me.
The only way it makes sense to me is if they were prescribed medicine. I think medicine actually encourages people to commit suicide sometimes. I don't remember what exactly it was about Zoloft but I think it made me more depressed when I started to take it.
Originally Posted by Drakesecaravdis
But like I said I had depression and I never wanted to do that.
So do I and neither have I. In my case, it was not fear of what would come after, but resistance to the amount of effort it would take to carry out the project. There didn't seem to be any point. Conversely, when I have been able to see any point in taking any kind of action, the action I wanted to take hasn't been suicide. There are all kinds of reasons not to kill yourself; I've found one, and you've found another, and for most people one's enough, right?
But I recognize that I've been fortunate in that respect. As Rawra said, we're talking about a brain disease so we have to allow that people's thinking will be affected by it; they may or may not come to the conclusions that other people often reach easily and naturally.
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I think context matters. The situation that it was said in was light & amongst best friends & no one was offended because we all got what was being said. I wouldn't dare say it seriously (especially to anyone who's anything less than a best friend) & I can't imagine it being said any other time butttttt I don't think it's something that's 100% never OK to say.
The thing is, you can never know what's going on inside another person's head--hell, your 'joke' could be the last straw.
Unfortunately, the people who actually have to stop and wonder if it's appropriate to use something like "kill yourself" as a joke are often lost causes anyway and stupid, insensitive shit like this always comes flying out of their mouths. At least that's been my experience.
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Originally Posted by BMVagabond
Here is my opinion on this: I fucking hate it. I have attempted suicide before and I have lost a friend to suicide. It's not a funny joke. At all. It never was and never will be. I block anybody who uses it on my Facebook, it is such a terrible thing and it is a crime if they end up taking their life.
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Originally Posted by miinnii9
I've been frequenting a certain tumblr tag lately, the "onision" one to be exact.
Now let me just point out that I think this man shouldn't even be considered a man: he is a slut-shamer, a sexist, an abuser, possible a pedo, and all around not a very nice human.
BUT, the tag often includes raging about how Onsion says "kill yourself" as a joke pretty frequently.
I think this is entirely wrong, and so do most people who post in the tag.
It would be nice to hear some unbiased opinions however.
So acceptable, or not acceptable?
It varies on who you're saying it to.
If you and a close friend use it all the time with one another and you both know that the other isn't wishing ill will, then I'd say cool. Do you.
If you're directing it towards an audience of people you don't really no, it should only be acceptable if it's also acceptable for you to be slapped in the face.
I'm all for free speech, but there are a million other things you can say....like FOH.
I can also agree that people these days have developed the 'butthurt trait' but suicide isn't a joke and many people entertain the thought everyday and odn't need a reminder from a small dick that can't articulate himself/herself well enough to be get a point across and be respectful. It is possible...
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Using the phrase fine depending on context you use it. If you use it in sly sarcasm with no real intent of actually wanting person to kill themselves, then it fine.
If you say it in really rude way to person that you hate, then the phrase have negative implications and best to not be used in this type context.
Oh and I say this as someone who has depression and has tried it before.
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IE: Only funny to oblivious teenagers who wouldn't know a serious trouble if it bit them on the ass. They have no life experience, so it never crosses their minds that the people they're being so loose-lipped to might actually have experience with their "joke". Wonder what those ~edgy teens~ would think about making jokes about slavery or genocide, especially around their colored friends' grandparents, or Jewish people. Probably nothing, because they weren't thinking in the first place when they said "KYS". Or along the lines of "Oh I would never say it if I knew they were around"--then you're just a cowardly POS who can't take responsibility for the garbage coming out of your mouth, and you should probably just learn how to close it.
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