I didn't know that. Thanks for the info, Peni.

All three Eaxis premade hoods are corrupted from the start, Strangetown being the worst one

Thanks everyone for your help and concern. I tried sending my Sim (Keith Cormier) on a date with Mallory Mace. Both Keith and Mallory were originally Veronaville Townies, but they've both been living for some time as playables in my Downtown Teen Townie Hostel. At first things went well and Keith got all his wants back, but later he lost some again. At the end of the date he had two empty want slots and one empty fear slot. They went to Bopperz, my club for straight teens. While they were there I spotted both Puck Summerdream and Hermia Capp in the background. They split up recently because Hermia caught Puck cheating -- with a boy! I wanted them to make up a little so I made Puck controllable. He has a want to apologise to Hermia, but was about to poke her! Odd behaviour for a Sim with 8 nice points? I cancelled "Poke" and got Puck to apologise to Hermia, over and over again. But when the want to apologise was fulfilled, Puck lost two of his wants. And his slots too stayed empty.

Keith and Mallory had a dream date, but the outlook for the 'hood doesn't look too good does it? I've had minor glitches before, but I'm afraid this looks like it might be the beginning of serious corruption. I fear it looks as if I should cut my losses and restore from my latest backup. If that doesn't work, I'll try the backup before that. I backup about once a week, but I may be able to get an intermediate "backup" from "Previous Versions".

I've invested so much of myself in this 'hood that I don't want to give up without a fight. But if I can't get any of my recent backups to work, I suppose I'll have to try Tarlia's version of Veronaville, and import the likeness of my CAS Sims into it. In particular I don't want to lose the McBains' two babies Peni Jo and Peregrine. I think I'll try at the very least to play their lot till they become toddlers, because I don't think you can extract babies.

Any advice?

Looks like the empty wants & fear slots is starting to spread, isn't it. Run the hood checker and see if there are any issues. If there are, try to fix them using the Hood Checker. Back up first!

If empty slots continue to show up, download Tarlia's fixed templates (if you haven't already) and get ready to replace your old Veronaville with the fixed one once it finally blows up. It really hurts to lose a hood you're closely attached to, but seeing that your hood is already a ticking time bomb, you'll probably have to abandon it sooner or later.

I had no idea sims turn into PlantSims when they do lots of gardening. Why do they do that?

It's none of my business and I can't judge corruption, but if I were in your shoes I'd start fresh and remake the hood. Either just re-make the Sims and continue on where you where as if nothing happened, or re-creating the basics of the storyline. You know the hood is corrupted, you are having problems. Why prolong it? From the looks of it you'll be playing this game for a long time, seems like a worthwhile investment to me. But then again I am apparently an oddball when it comes to how I play and how I do things, so perhaps that's just how I see things.

If you do decide you want to remake it, you are welcome to prod me with questions, since that's all I've been doing for the past year. By now I've got the routine down.



Bug spray. If you want to avoid plant Sims, avoid having to spray bugs (greenhouse, ladybug house). If you want a plant sim, make a big garden and let bugs spread and then spray them all.

Hm... how are you an oddball?

Most notably that I detest free will, and prefer mindless zombies that do what I tell them and stand in one place until they die if I forget about them (which does not happen). There's other things too that I do differently than what it seems others do, but I've forgotten what they are exactly.

Plus there's the fact that I am an oddball in reality and bring that to anything I do. Life's more fun that way.

Apparently, this is EAxis's play on "evil poisonous bug spray" and how it turns humans into plants. I have no problems with this, except EAxis borked along with half the code in the game. If you cure a sim of PlantSimism, the next time they spray for bugs they have a very high chance of turning back into PlantSims.

This mod from Cyjon fixes that. Also useful if you don't really like PlantSims, but don't want the feature completely removed.

Most townies do not have wants at the start. They are given CAS History upon visiting a lot, only if they are townie at that point. Depending on which time you edited them, they may have not received their primary wants that serve as a trigger for later wants.

You can try my Memory Commander to give the selectable person a "Reset Memory.../Full CAS Reset". The object is found under Electronics -> All. If this causes a jump bug due to not working in your expansion pack, well, then reload the game without it, and there little more harm done than lost time.

I like gardening with my Teens. They are protected by Eaxis from pesticides because Eaxis didn't find it important to write a teen stage for plant people.

Backup. Run the HoodChecker. Allow the HoodChecker to fix what it can. Try playing and see whether things are improved.

Before giving up completely, try backing up and deleting all of the SWAF (Sim Wants and Fears) records in your neighborhood package. Wants and Fears are often based on the existing Wants and Fears history. There's no way to fix a broken history right now, but you can delete the entire SWAF, which is sort of like giving your sim's amnesia. It might get your wants rolling again, and you won't lose their memories, relationships, skills, jobs, etc. The main thing that you lose is that little "extra" part of their personality that comes from the way that you've trained them.

Is there a mod that allows plant teens and kids?

grammapat, you've been here long enough to know that your question belongs in the WCIF (where can I find ...?) forum.

Wrong thread, but I guess I'll still help. Sort of. Google it.

Thanks again everyone!

HoodChecker is giving me an almost routine report:


I get these phoney Sim Relations all the time, and even get them in my test 'hood, which was based on Argon's empty template from MATY.

I got these missing wants in the first Veronaville lot I had opened since I last backed up and ran HoodChecker, and they appeared within a couple of Sim hours of opening it, so I'm not very hopeful of being able to fix it with HoodChecker, or even restoring from my last backup. (I'll try both though -- I haven't got anything to lose.) After that I'll try deleting the SWAF records, and then j7n's Memory Commander. Losing my Sims' learned/trained behaviour is a pity, because some of them (Andrew, Gloria and even Tybalt Capp)are much nicer than their personality points would suggest, because of the way that I've always played them. And losing all of a Sim's memories is a pity, because it's part of the history of my 'hood, but of course, if I start off again with cleaned templates, I lose all their histories anyway.

Trying to recreate my present 'hood with Tarlia's cleaned templates will be a pretty massive undertaking, even if I don't try to replay their history the way gummilutt is doing. I suppose I could copy my community lots to the lot bin as they should be safe to move to the new 'hood, but I'd have to build/rebuild my houses manually. Fortunately only two of my houses are self-built, but some of the Maxis ones have been extensively altered. Then I have the task of re-creating all my Sims' skills, personalities relations, etc. Some of my townies and Downtownies are nearly as important as my playables, so they'd need to be brought in too. And I believe the townies are different in Tarlia's 'hoods.

I can see why it's tempting to start again with new Sims. But I'm so attached to my existing Sims :lovestruc -- I am Andrew and Gloria!



I think I might take a few days off the Sims while I think things over.

I'd try resetting only the problematic people's memory/wants first, before deleting the wants of the entire neighborhood.

:lovestruc I totally agree here. I'm even giving some of my townies faces. It's a shame really that townies got their memory cleared upon move in the umodded game.

Hoodchecker always gives me those errors, even in a brand new hood. I have to either delete them as they come or never play past the hood building stage lol.

And as someone said, export your favourite sims' appearance and use it for a new hood. Just make a note of their aspirations/personality points etc. so you can fill them in.

Yes, Hood Checker always gives me these weird results of my Sims having relationships with themselves, or with a Sim that doesn't exist. Really annoying... and weird.

Try deleting your SWAF records for the affected Sims. If it continues to spread or if it doesn't work, destroy the SWAF records for the entire hood.

If you do need to reconstruct your entire hood, the InSIM and the Sim Manipulator are here to help.

It probably is, but if you are organized it's quicker than you might think. When I first started looking at lots and realized that I should rebuild everything (including community lots because I am paranoid) I wanted to quit Sims forever. Then my stubborn kicked in, and two days later I had rebuilt most lots, including my huge ones with a bajillion decorative items in them. You just need a system where you document the house properly, so that you can consult images/notes instead of having to go back to the original house.

Like I said in my last post, if you do decide to, I can tell you how I've done it. Both in terms of extracting Sims, rebuilding things, and giving Sims their stuff back without having to re-play it.

I don't feel like going through the "remove all mods" process or whatever else complicated right now, that's why I asked the question here. I'm pretty sure that if there's no "easy method" that I hoped for, then the issue with mailbox is solvable by moving sims out and back in. And if not, that lot can be copied again from a newly generated hood.


Same here. So I don't think that's a matter for concern, if there's nothing else amiss.

I never heard of this before. What about the ones that came with the later EPs?

So far only the 3 that came with the base game are corrupted or as far as I have heard.

Thanks, marka93. I had no idea any of the hoods that came with the game were corrupt. Good to know.

Actually, there's corruption in all hoods, especially in Belladonna Cove, where EAxis screwed up big time. Thread about the issue.

Fortunately, Tarlia's fixed templates do a good job in removing most, if not all, of the corruption that's in EAxis's hoods.

How long is it before ghosts come out on an owned community lot? Or do they just come out when they feel like it? I made sure the ghost had come out on the home lot first before having my undertaker move him to the graveyard that he owns. I had him stay 3 nights there and the ghost didn't show up once.