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Lab Assistant
#776 Old 25th Sep 2017 at 6:53 PM
In general, it's hard to decide because most of the time I like one feature of a pack but absolutely hate another...

What is your most favourite/least favourite expansion pack, and why?

I'm gonna go with Bon Voyage as favorite, because you can live at the beach and swim in the ocean and travel, or Open for Business because of the endless possibilites for stores.
Least favorite would be University, Apartment Life or Freetime. The first two because I never play in dorms/apartments, the last one because except the cool new hobbies, it doesn't add much to the game play for me and I don't care about the hobby enthusiasm.

What is your most favourite/least favourite stuff pack, and why?
Fave is probably Happy Holiday Stuff because I love christmas, or Mansion&Garden because it adds more realism (heater and stuff). Oh, and H&M because more stuff for your stores!
Least favorite is Family Fun, 'cause I don't like the furniture.

If you could rank how much you like each expansion or stuff pack in order, what would your order be?

Oh god. I guess...
Bon Voyage
Open for Business
Pets
Seasons
Nightlife
Freetime
University
Apartment Life

Stuff packs is too hard to decide.

If you had to remove an expansion, which one would it be, and why?
I would remove Apartment Life or University. I wouldn't miss apartments or universities, 'cause I never play them. But there are some objects and small features I really like...
Lab Assistant
#777 Old 26th Sep 2017 at 4:10 AM
Nightlife >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest
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Lab Assistant
#778 Old 4th Mar 2018 at 1:13 AM
Hey guys, what is the worst pack, clothing wise? I really wanna know. Also, best pack, too.
Inventor
#779 Old 4th Mar 2018 at 12:01 PM
I already posted some of my opinions on the EPs and SPs, but I might as well have a proper entry here. I'm prepared to be roasted!

What is your most favourite/least favourite expansion pack, and why?
My favorite EP is Seasons, which allows for gardening and fishing, providing more variety in terms of income sources and lifestyles, and I like the changes in weather as well. It brought some of my favorite careers and career rewards, introduced the stackable inventory, and payment of all of your bills at the mailbox without searching for them yourself (oh, how I wish I could do this in real life). Overall, I think it's the best EP for what it offered for gameplay - it's useful for a variety of settings (medieval, modern farms, etc.).

My least favorite EP, as I'm sure other members have heard me talking about, is FreeTime. I find the hobby system poorly implemented - I would've wanted certain hobbies separated like Film and Literature, some hobbies are shafted in terms of activities, I find the overall enthusiasm system invasive with the constant wants and interest-enthusiasm bleed, and dislike the way hobbies and interests don't work together in a logical manner.

What is your most favourite/least favourite stuff pack, and why?
Mansion and Garden, IKEA, and Kitchen and Bath tie for my favorite SPs. M&G is practically an EP disguised as a SP, and IKEA and K&B are useful for modern lots. My least favorite SP is Holiday - the theme is rather limited and its features don't fit my playstyle or preferences at all.

If you could rank how much you like each expansion or stuff pack in order, what would your order be?
Expansions:
  • Seasons - fishing, gardening, weather, leftovers, new jobs, moonwalking penguin
  • Nightlife - new aspirations, dates, downtown, chemistry system, new interactions, the fury
  • OFB - crafting stations, talent badges, businesses, subhoods
  • Apartment Life - This is mainly because I like apartments and the AL bookcase skills. Why ever did they think that we need even more townies at this point though?
  • University - I mostly play them for the story-value of sims attending them and not the default gameplay itself, which I've heavily modified to my liking, but I like the LTW feature the most.
  • Pets - This would've been higher on my list but I find it somewhat lacking in implementation. I'm also confused why the furniture looks more The Jetsons instead of something like TS3's Farm Fresh Folk Set (though I guess that's in Seasons anyway); it's useful for certain settings, but I'm curious as to how Pets made them go for this specific aesthetic.
  • Bon Voyage - I'll be honest - I use BV more like a SP (especially for the camping/mountain themes) and like it primarily for allowing us to walk to lots. I'm not fond of beaches or vacations either, so it doesn't suit my playstyle. The Unsavory Charlatan also seems to have a one-sided fixation on me, which was funny until he actively stalked my sims around.
  • FreeTime - Elaboration below.
Stuff Packs:
  • Mansion and Garden - I love the roof angle adjuster.
  • IKEA
  • Kitchen and Bath
  • H&M Fashion
  • Teen Style Stuff
  • Glamour Life Stuff - I think the bedroom set is all right, but I haven't used the clothes that much.
  • Family Fun Stuff - I'm okay with the medieval children's bedroom set (not my style so it's hardly used), though not a fan of much else.
  • Celebration - I'm generally not fond of the objects' color schemes in-game and the items don't see frequent use either.
  • Happy Holiday - I never installed this since I don't particularly want nor need its features.

If you had to remove an expansion, which one would it be, and why?
FreeTime (you knew it was coming). I love the idea, but as I mentioned, the execution was lost on me, and I wish it wasn't. My favorite feature from this EP is the option to have secondary aspirations, I like the Indie Wave radio station, and some of the additional activities are interesting, like pottery and repairing cars.

Still, there are several things that weigh it down and asides from the shoddy hobby system, it seems to be a matter of playstyle. I prefer gameplay on the slightly more challenging side and FT has features that don't see any use in my games at all - LTA permaplats, aspiration benefits, and genie lamps have been banned among other things. I might have been more amenable if you could choose the benefits instead of the ladder system they chose to implement. I'm not fond of the BFF system and most of the career rewards pale in comparison to the previous ones. There are also a few other minor qualms, like the attraction to and disengagement from the toddler activity table and how they broke contacting NPCs through the phone. Some of these are fixable through mods, but the hobby system affects the want trees, which are more difficult to tune.

This easily could've been one of my favorite EPs if it weren't for all these problems - I loved the potential but not the execution.
Test Subject
#780 Old 3rd Apr 2018 at 6:02 PM
University is my least favorite. I've never had the desire to play around with it much and it's just kinda boring.
I have a love hate relationship with Pets, love because I'm a "omg puppies and kittens" kinda person but hate because that's really its only appeal. Open For Business is okay, I like the features it has and god I love Servos so much

I'll probably love Seasons and Apartment Life until I die.

Nightlife is essential. That's all I have to say. As for the Freetime and Bon Voyage, I love them too, but never as much as Seasons and AL

I think tonight's gonna be an ice cream night.
Lab Assistant
#781 Old 31st May 2018 at 7:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MintFinch
University is my least favorite. I've never had the desire to play around with it much and it's just kinda boring.
I have a love hate relationship with Pets, love because I'm a "omg puppies and kittens" kinda person but hate because that's really its only appeal. Open For Business is okay, I like the features it has and god I love Servos so much

I'll probably love Seasons and Apartment Life until I die.

Nightlife is essential. That's all I have to say. As for the Freetime and Bon Voyage, I love them too, but never as much as Seasons and AL


I've heard that Uni in TS2 isn't that good. I have Nightlife which I highly recommend.
Mad Poster
#782 Old 31st May 2018 at 8:30 PM
Well, you didn't hear that from me! A lot of people don't like it, but I'm convinced that this is usually because they're not approaching it on its own terms.

First of all, time moves differently there (unless you have an age mod that greatly extends normal sim lifespans, like Almighty Hat's "It's the Proportion). University is on a completely different time scale. If it moved at the same pace as the main neighborhood, you wouldn't have time for anything except Grinding for Grades, and what fun would that be?

University isn't about getting the grades. It's about splashing out, trying new things, really getting to know your sims. Unlike other sims, YAs have a game mechanic for natural character change and development - the opportunity to change aspiration at the beginning of Junior Year. YA sims have time to do proper courtship and engagements, rather than the rush to get married in the bathroom at 2AM that I'm always seeing other people do. They have time and space to write novels, start a garage band and go out to have gigs, have as many first dates as a Pleasure sim can stomach before finally growing up and settling down to a new Fortune aspiration. They can take craft stations with them and make stock for their future store. Heck, they can start the store! Or they can just party all the time. Or they can grind for grades. Or they can invite their families over a lot. The goals the game sets are easy, so you set your own. The more active sims you have in University at the same time, the more fun you can have; and if, in the end, you find you've got too many sims to play in the main hood - graduate them or drop them out and turn them into townies.

Some people, of course, don't like any of that, and that's fine, too. But don't take anybody's word for it. Try it for yourself. If you turn out not to like it, or to like parts of it and not others, that's what mods and cheats are for.

Ugly is in the heart of the beholder.
(My simblr isSim Media Res . Widespot,Widespot RFD: The Subhood, and Land Grant University are all available here. In case you care.)
Test Subject
#783 Old 5th Jun 2018 at 9:16 AM Last edited by Sepowo : 9th Jul 2018 at 11:12 AM.
My favourite EP could be Open For Business : badges are great, the business system is well programmed even if you need some mods (like any TS2 EP) to work 100% properly, the subhood Bluewater Village is nice (finally we have the Landgraab family !), some CAS elements may be too tacky nowadays but default replacements can solve the problem. I don't like custom careers so the 'employee career' is essential to me. Oh, and servos of course.
My second favourite is Seasons and my third is Nightlife.

My least favourite is clearly Free Time : Desiderata Valley kinda bore me, hobbies system could have been way better, the science hobby is a bit forgotten, there is not enough new objects, secret hobbies lot are useless to me. The worst part : you can't assign a hobby to your sim, the game decides for you ! Really, EAxis ? This EP needs a lot of correcting mods to be logical, consistent and fun...
Instructor
#784 Old 22nd Jul 2019 at 9:23 PM
Least - Bon Voyage and Pets. After a few times I stopped taking vacations and having pets. Pets also seems like it was really done half-assed. There's not really anything BESIDES pets and related things, unlike every other EP. It's more like an SP in a lot of ways. It has a few things of new content, but not very good - like the stuff that looks like how people in the 1930s-1950s thought thing would be like now.
Mad Poster
#785 Old 22nd Jul 2019 at 10:35 PM Last edited by simmer22 : 22nd Jul 2019 at 10:54 PM.
I have a hard time choosing which ones I like the best, because I like features from all of them. The one(s) I would not manage without would be AL and (M&G) because of all the neat storytelling and decorating help I've gotten from those two (shiftability and the freezer clock mod based on witch spells are a must for taking pictures and decorating, and the plants are great for taking pics in a CC-light game). I don't use witches or apartments much, but I did try them out.

I think my least favorite may be BV and Uni solely based on the main features, because I hardly ever use them any longer (haven't played Uni or vacations in ages). However, I probably use a ton of the other features they offer (a lot of the furniture is quite neat), so I don't feel buying them was wasted. Same with pets. I don't use pets that often, and find strays very annoying, but I do like that I can use pets if I want to (I've used birds and hamsters for my story, so I guess I do use the features a bit, and the odd story or picture have included cats or dogs over the years). I think that's my main con with most of the packs - I don't use much of the actual features they come with (any longer), but I still use objects and functions from those packs a lot. I've avoided using weather from Seasons too (because of pink-flashing issues), but would probably have used it more often if it wasn't such a graphic problem. There's a lot of other neat features from Seasons, so it's not that big of an issue.

Basically, there are things I like or dislike with all the packs, but I wouldn't want to be without any of them. Not sure which stuff pack I like best or least either, but I have used several of the items some or another time while playing. I probably use the features from FSS and GL the least, but I used to love the dragon/princess bedrooms for kids. I think I've used several items from the other stuff packs fairly regularly, both in a CC-light and CC-heavy game.
Instructor
#786 Old 22nd Jul 2019 at 10:58 PM
I haven't had the graphics issues. Nightlife is important so you don't have to have them walk or wait for the stupid taxi/have the carpool sitting there obnoxiously honking the horn.
Instructor
#787 Old 27th Aug 2019 at 1:07 AM
Overall, this thread is in pathetic shape. Here are some of my thoughts on it:

How dreadful! This thread is dead!

...Jokes aside, I can't really pick my favorite EP anymore, but my least favorite is Pets, followed closely by Bon Voyage. Pets is a big disappointment (I guess making pets from scratch ate development time for actually fleshing them out), while Bon Voyage's content isn't really relevant in my regular gameplay. My favorite stuff packs as of now (in no particular order) are M&G, Ikea, K&B and H&M (they got better at them as the game went on). The rest are pretty niche for me.
Instructor
#788 Old 1st Sep 2019 at 9:23 PM
I like K & B & Ikea. M&G is more an EP than a SP. Teen Stuff, Family Fun and the Holiday one are pretty much a waste.
Lab Assistant
#789 Old 12th Sep 2019 at 1:05 PM
There's so much... In Sims games, each pack usually adds something incredibly useful. Nightlife adds cars, Open For Business adds the ability to make any food at any time of day, Bon Voyage lets you choose which Sims will go downtown, etc. So many little quality of life features that don't always get advertised or first come to mind with the theme. So it's hard for me to pick just one.
Test Subject
#790 Old 12th Sep 2019 at 11:31 PM
Bon Voyage seems to be one of the least favourite expansion packs overall, but I must say that I love what came with this ep!
Even though the holidays are not as adventurous and exciting as they could have potentially been, this expansion pack added beach lots and all the beautiful interactions attached to them. The build mode fences and the buy mode sets of furniture are necessities for me: they are so useful and I specifically like to decorate my house with objects related to Asian culture. The tropical objects are very vibrant and I often use them to decorate backyards, pools, community lots near the beach. The mountain wallpapers are great for creating cozy cottages and bungalows, especially if your neighborhood is set in a cold environment and it would only seem logic to use wood logs to build houses.
Bon Voyage has very specific sets of items and clothes, so it's really up to the player's taste to determine if this expansion pack is useless or essential.
Lab Assistant
#791 Old 14th Jun 2020 at 12:24 PM Last edited by humming-fli : 14th Jun 2020 at 10:39 PM.
I haven't played the later expansions from BV-AL very much, so I might have a heavy bias towards the previous expansions. That said, the only expansions I actually cared to buy were Nightlife, Pets and Seasons. At some point someone gave me one of those combo packs with the the Deluxe base game which included NL along with Uni, OFB, Family Fun stuff and Glamour Life stuff, so that's what I have most experience playing for a long time before deciding to complete my collection before life happened and I stopped playing. That said, I'll rank the EPs as I see them.
  1. Seasons - I feel this pack ultimately is my favourite because it added many of the things I love into the game. Weather and changing seasons were great additions to the game, and I liked that you could customise the seasons in different neighbourhoods. I think some of the graphics were improved here too like pools. Leftovers are a mandatory feature for me now. I also loved gardening in TS1 Unleashed and Makin' Magic, so was very happy it was included here after my disappointment with Pets. I also liked the seasonal effects, particularly the faster skilling in Autumn. Of course I had a few gripes with it as well. Plantsims are too easy to make by mistake because ladybugs aren't as useful as they should have been, and while I think the ability to spawn plant toddlers is cool, I hate that they age straight to adult. I also really wish they had added the ability to swim in ponds as in Castaways (which uses a modified Seasons engine IIRC) and/or the ability to ice skate on frozen lakes. I really didn't like those huge skating rinks.
  2. Nightlife - This is a close second to Seasons. Though I don't really care for the dating aspect, this added the attraction system which I think makes the game far more interesting and wouldn't want to play without it. It also added driveable cars which while I don't particularly like how driveways work, I think the various interactions that cars add makes up for it. I also liked that sims could go to work later or still go to work if they missed a carpool. Vampires are probably my favourite lifestate and though I would prefer if they had been given more special traits, mods do make up for that. Inventories were also introduced here and I think many of my favourite objects come from this EP. In an unmodded game though this EP had a lot of bugs and annoyances, Mrs Crumplebottom picks on people she shouldn't, and some things which were funny at first but quickly became annoying, people randomly kicking over trash and steal newspapers, the gagging and swooning.
  3. Pets - I would put this much lower on the list but I wouldn't want to play without it in my game. Honestly I feel like this was a minimal effort EP. Though there is a lot of customisation in create a pet, I would have liked if a little more effort went into the other aspects because I barely ever used create a pet. At the very least I would have liked to see all the features from TS1 Unleashed brought forward, I missed the tricks (like cats playing the keyboard) and having them hunt various pests such as mice, gophers and rabbits. They also missed the racoon pest and the small pets like turtles and iguanas from Unleashed, it would have been nice to have more small pets like these. I also think it would have been nice to be able to befriend and even adopt the skunk, the racoon from Unleashed or even the Dragons from Makin' Magic. These are all the minimal things I wanted from it that we didn't get, but we did get the ability to teach cats to use the toilet, so I guess that's something. Though I don't care as much for it, I don't see why they couldn't have included the pet show stuff from Life Stories because pet shows were also a thing in Unleashed. For additional things not seen in Unleashed, I would have liked foxes, horses and various farm animals, or some more exotic animals like elephants and tigers.
  4. Apartment Life - This is pretty high on the list more for secondary things and also because there are a good amount of mods that require it. I was extremely disappointed that only 4 families could live on an apartment lot, couldn't only rent apartments and the way roommates are handled (like pets!?) does put me off having them. Apartment lots should have had both community and residential functions, as most apartment blocks in real life have shops on the ground floor, and I think it should have been possible to visit apartment lots (if not residential lots too), and really, 4 sublots is ridiculous and I don't know why nobody has made a mod to increase this. While the reputation system and social classes do remind me of The Urbz, I don't particularly care for it.I like the magic but not particularly how it was implemented, and why this was shoehorned in here instead of an additional Magic EP or Freetime (it seems like something that would go with hobbies and the secret lots are like hobby lots) is puzzling to me. Something like celebrities in Superstar would have been a much better fit here. I think the alignments are dumb, playable evil witches don't really have any useful spells like good witches do so there's no real use in playing an evil witch. I would have preferred the spells to be more altruistic for good witches and selfish for evil witches instead, so both would be beneficial to gameplay, but in different ways. I also wish for Bonehilda here, and one that actually takes care of children like the TS1 version unlike the TS3 version or the spectral assistants. I do like some of the social interactions added here, babysitting, walking to work, toddlers being able to use some pet objects, and of course shiftables and deco slots.
  5. Bon Voyage - To be honest I don't think I've played vacations much, but I do like the beaches and far eastern stuff a lot. Again I would have liked some features from Castaways here like supporting bigger neighbourhoods and lots without roads, as well as swimmable ponds and exotic animals. Also while mountain and tropical could be generic enough, the Far Eastern destination seems a little weird when your family has a similar background. I also missed the winter theme from TS1 Vacation with snowboarding and igloos, but I guess these should have been in Seasons instead. I also missed Volleyball on beach lots. The carnival games are also missing from TS2 and I would have liked to see them either here or in another EP. One of my main gripes though is the lack of support for pets and toddlers. I also don't like how limited building is on beach lots, I don't understand why they limited building on the beach. Many people like Bigfoot but I don't care much for him either, he is inexplicably talented in everything despite living in the middle of nowhere, and is severely limited as a sim. I would have liked to see a real lifestate like fairies or mermaids implemented here.
  6. Open for Business - While having my sims run a business never really appealed to me, I do think this EP is fairly decent and does open up some gameplay options. I do like that sims can own community lots and have home businesses, but I don't like how EAxis didn't really design owned businesses to be visited by other families, while home businesses cannot be visited at all. This also introduced the talent badges system which I personally dislike. To me it doesn't make sense that someone who can use a computer just fine and/or has high logic can't operate a cash register. Overall though I think it would have been better to simply make them use the regular skills like charisma for sales and mechanical for robotics or simply rolled into a badge for business (bronze can use the cash register, silver can restock, gold can do sales) and the crafting go by skills instead (though robotics could be something a skilled toy maker could do!). It would have made a bit more sense having separate badges if one could train their employees for their role. Robotics is maybe the most interesting craft but were also a disappointment here. While having servos as sims makes them more flexible, they are essentially another sim you have to take care of and I don't think they should have normal sim aspirations unless they were modelled after the Bicentennial Man (which now that I think of it could have been interesting if one could upgrade servos to be more human over time if desired). The other robots are mostly useless and break too often. The flower arranging, cosmetology and toy making don't really add much to the game and I really could do without them.
  7. University - I would have put this one much higher if I didn't absolutely hate how just about everything was implemented. I do however like many of the interactions added by this EP as well as the ability to form a band. This added cellphones which I quickly found necessary in my game. I don't like the fact that only teenagers can go to college and will age up even if they still have time left to be teens. I would have much preferred young adults to be an additional lifestage that all sims go through whether or not they go to college. I don't like that their age meter is replaced by semesters, this could have been implemented similar to seasons in the UI or simply on the grades panel. I also think adults and even elders should be allowed to do uni courses and also work while studying. I also think that if the college system wasn't so tied into aging, it could open up the possibility for a diligent students to write finals early or do "part-time" uni where they take longer to graduate but can work full-time or otherwise finish their studies on their own time. The majors and uni job requirements are completely nonsensical, eg. you don't need to go to uni to get into the medical career but you do for show business?? Also majors don't actually matter for getting you into a career, you just have to have gone to college, you could study Drama for the Natural Science career. Dorms and rented houses should have been available outside of uni, I don't see why a single adult or teen shouldn't be able to live in a dorm-like lot if they don't have much money. YAs also can't study without going to uni or have children or pets in the uni hood. I would have liked this EP so much if it wasn't horribly flawed by design.
  8. Freetime - I would absolutely pull this EP if it weren't for some mods requiring it. The hobby system is useless and redundant when we already had underutilized interests in the game. The message spam is annoying, I don't think the hobby lots are particularly useful, I don't like that there is no way to choose the one true hobby for a sim like attraction traits and aspiration. Without that annoying hobby system, all the other things I do like could have been a kind of hobby stuff pack instead. I actually got this pack after TS3 and thought tinkering was actually useful, it isn't. I fail to see what the point of the hobby system was and how it actually adds to gameplay that actually warranted an EP. The secondary aspiration is about the only other feature I would want, but even so I could do without it.

For stuff packs, I don't think I actually used most of them so I won't rank them because I don't actually know what's in all of them. I do really like the furniture from the IKEA pack and M&G for the green energy stuff. The H&M pack probably had the best clothes and though I mostly used CC clothes, I think it was a nice touch that they added the items to create an H&M store in the game. I also liked the holiday pack because of Santa and the New Year's party, but I think it should have been combined with celebration stuff personally, though I don't think I actually liked anything in that one. I also think the IKEA and H&M packs should have been free promotional packs personally since they're essentially ads for the real companies.

Just a lurker lurking through... mostly.

Sometimes I'm more interested in Sims than others, so I tend to disappear and reappear at random.
Test Subject
#792 Old 21st Jun 2020 at 1:54 AM
My favorite EP is either Seasons or Nightlife. So original right? Both of them add so much to the game they're literally essential. It's like I can't imagine playing without having Downtown or having weather so that's a sign those are great packs.

My least favorite is Freetime. Such an annoying and useless pack honestly. All my thoughts about it has probably already been said in this thread but the hobby system sucks and it just adds such annoying additions to the game, like the hobby idle animations and the movies on TV. *shudder* Why do they have to be so loud...?
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